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Thread: Good Rappelling
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05-04-2007, 08:29 PM #21
it all makes more sense , I thought BSA was some kind of guide service. LOL
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05-04-2007 08:29 PM # ADS
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05-05-2007, 10:03 AM #22Originally Posted by Sombeech
I look at the situation from the standpoint of, what if I end up climbing with a person who learned to rappel like that? There'd be no way I'd let anyone on a rope or gear of mine that'd mistreat it that way (not to mention their own personal safety). Puts everyone at risk.
Certainly don't mean to come across as too judgemental, or holier than thou, but, if you're teaching folks...well, that somehow in my mind deserves a bit more scrutiny and a comment if it ain't right.
So....thanks for the videos! Maybe we all can learn something from them...
-Brian in SLC
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05-05-2007, 11:05 AM #23
Well
I guess this is a good place for me to just say Good-By I have enough problems in my life I don't need any of you ragging on me.
Thanks to every one who has been so much fun and helpful here.
See you on the trail
Scout MasterSee you on the Trail
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05-05-2007, 11:43 AM #24Originally Posted by Scout Master
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05-05-2007, 12:14 PM #25
This situation could have been handled differently, perhaps with a much better outcome than Scout Master signing off. Dommage.
hank
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05-05-2007, 10:53 PM #26Originally Posted by hank moon
I hate to come across as a big meany, poking a fork in someone's eye...
And I sure as heck don't spend my time doing something as unselfish as teaching many folks about anything, much less outdoorsy stuff...
I'm no good.
Wait a second Hank...I thought YOU were the safety nazi...
Redemption for me? Ahhh.....I think not...
Shoot, if that video woulda been posted in the "sport rappelling" forum, I'd have never seen it...
-Brian in SLC
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05-05-2007, 11:02 PM #27
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Originally Posted by Scout Master
I have been busy and have not had time to read stuff lately....
But don't go!!!!!!
I would MISS YOU!!!!
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05-06-2007, 06:56 AM #28Originally Posted by Scout Master
When I first got involved with Zion on the SAR Team 11 years ago, some of the things that we were doing seemed TOTALLY ridiculous to me! The redundancy was overwhelming, but now I adhere to the techniques (mostly!) like a fly on s#$+! The park has ongoing litigation from many incidents and its much simpler to have a standard that is part of the program, rather than try to explain each time something questionable.
I did not see the videos, and furthermore it's not my place to ridicule someone else. I would hope that constructive critisizm is a learning tool rather than an "obstruction". Stick around and we can all learn and have fun!
Bo
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05-07-2007, 10:26 AM #29Originally Posted by Scout Master
Some people consider that the guidelines are overly cautious. But keep in mind that when instructing youth in this program, you are taking on the responsibility of someone else's kids. Are you ready to explain why they got seriously injured or killed on your watch? As often pointed out, kids will be kids, and especially boys will be boys. If you have a group of them, there will be rough-housing and a short attention span, and one or two that want to wander off because they are bored waiting their turn.
It is also important to keep in mind that BSA does not teach youth (or adults) to climb or rappel - they introduce people to climbing and rappelling. That's the same thing as with the merit badges - they introduce the youth to hobbies, potential careers, and so on. The First Aid MB provides basic first aid, for example, it does not make someone an EMT, or even a First Responder. Hopefully, this will inspire the youth to continue on to do more in whatever area. It will not make a youth an expert climber, ready to take on El Cap or the Grand.
My purpose in posting was to provide a wake-up call that if someone is going to teach youth to climb and rappel, a very worthy and noble undertaking, there is an added responsibility, and if it is going to be in the context of Boy Scouts of America, there are guidelines that must be followed. If the guidelines are followed, BSA provides insurance and legal help (pretty important in our litigious society). If not, you leave yourself wide open to suits that may be based on real or imagined negligence (or an imagined "wrong touch").
The great thing about introducing youth (both male and female in the Venturing and Exploring programs) is that it provides a challenge, and can boost self-esteem and self-confidence, yet in a safe manner with a minimum of risk as long as the guidelines are followed.
Again, whatever you want to do with your buddies or your own kids is up to you. But when you are purporting to work with youth under BSA auspices, you need to follow their guidelines and rules.
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03-07-2019, 10:53 AM #30
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03-07-2019, 02:40 PM #31
I dunno about Echo Canyon itself, but just a few miles south of the canyon just north of Coalville has a good ledge and some overhangs that range from 40-80 feet or so. Been there a couple times. Especially in the summer as you can go to Echo Reservoir afterwards and swim around.
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03-07-2019, 02:45 PM #32
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03-07-2019, 04:23 PM #33
Somewhere near Echo, but towards Evanston, is a place called "poopers point", where people go Ski BASE jumping. I look for it every time I pass through, I think I've seen it. There would be some great rappelling there, maybe 200 feet.
Here's a video of the area
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03-07-2019, 04:25 PM #34
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03-07-2019, 04:53 PM #35
I’m slow to the party... yeah I’ve driven by that spot. That pic is rad. #revivethepost
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03-07-2019, 04:56 PM #36
Ive just had friends ask of good places to practice rappelling in the salt lake area. I don’t want to send them off to do canyons/waterfalls til they know what they’re doing.
Ogden 9th St crag. Pete’s Rock. Battle Creek. Red ledges. Any others super accessible and straightforward?
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