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moabfool · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 699 Location: The Sunset

Skylinerider wrote: moabfool wrote:
So maybe they did need motorized transportation. Did they have to take a 4-wheeler? What's wrong with a motorcycle? The problem with a 4-wheeler is that now every yahoo on a 4-wheeler is going to see the tracks and follow the trail. Just a few passes caused some pretty heavy damage. Unless something is done and quick things will go to crap pretty quick.

You ever try to haul a stretcher on a motorcycle?
:roflol:

Nope, but I've seen them hauled on foot. Here's the point, if the person is in enough trouble to need an ATV, they're in enough trouble to need a helecopter. If their injuries are not life-threatening there are other, less impactive, ways to haul the poor dude out of the woods.

bbennett · Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject:

moabfool wrote: If it was a life threatening situation they would've needed to evacuate using a helecopter, and there are plenty of places to land a helecopter on the slickrock.

As a helicopter pilot, let me point out that an air evac is not always an option.

moabfool · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 699 Location: The Sunset

bbennett wrote: moabfool wrote: If it was a life threatening situation they would've needed to evacuate using a helecopter, and there are plenty of places to land a helecopter on the slickrock.

As a helicopter pilot, let me point out that an air evac is not always an option.

I am aware, but in that area it's your most likely form of evac for a critical patient. I remember thinking that if any of us got hurt and we had to call 9-1-1 (cell phones work really well on Little Creek Mtn) I would just have them send the helecopter. The GPS says we're here. Most people probably won't be mountain biking if conditions are too poor to fly.

At my last employer they wouldn't even call for the ambulance. It took 45 minutes to get out there. The EMT on duty was told to just call for the helecopter.

We almost had to have one of my friends taken out by helecopter. My friend broke three vertabrae sledding up Farmington Canyon. The SAR guys called for the ambulance. Sorry, the ambulance won't leave the pavement, we'll send Life Flight. Never mind, we can't send Life Flight either because it's too cloudy.

They wraped her in foam and slid her into the bed of a pickup truck. When we got to the pavement they transferred her to the ambulance. You would've thought there was a terrorist attack. I didn't even count all the emergeny vehicles. There were about half a dozen sheriff's EMT's, three or four fire trucks, a couple ambulances, and an unholy load of sheriff's deputies, all for one girl with some fractured vertabrae. It made me wonder what would happen if there were an emergency somewhere else. With all the response vehicles in the canyon who was watching the valley? But that's another topic.

live2ride · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 1139 Location: Riding my bike

I think that it is a valid point that you should just send in the hellicopter for the "rescue" portion; however, the searching of someone lost usually involves persons riding ATV's, I know motorcycles would pose less of an impact on the enviormentl nonetheless, a four wheeler is much easier to ride for most people and is what most SAR teams utilize in backcountry rescues due to some of the points made in earlier posts regarding evacuating someone. Also time is usually a major factor in a rescue and the more supplies present when an injured or lost person is located, the better. Should the BLM or the SAR team or even the vicitm which caused the catastrophy be required to do some trail work after some sort of rescue to deter other jack asses from following in the new tracks?

Sombeech · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 12600 Location: The Rubbish Bin

Just keep one thing in mind:

ATVs are already banned from singletrack, so "banning" them will do absolutely nothing.

There is the very real possibility that these were a couple of 10 year olds on Grandpa's 4 wheelers, just like I used to do.

live2ride · Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 1139 Location: Riding my bike

Sombeech wrote: Just keep one thing in mind:

ATVs are already banned from singletrack, so "banning" them will do absolutely nothing.

There is the very real possibility that these were a couple of 10 year olds on Grandpa's 4 wheelers, just like I used to do.

Probably drinking a little bit of Grandpa's old caugh medicine :friday:

fourtycal · Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 969 Location: Midvale

Sombeech wrote: on Grandpa's 4 wheelers, just like I used to do.

Did they have fourwheelers when you were a kid? :haha:

do you mean trail 90's :mrgreen: