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[Randi]

http://canyoneeringusa.com/utah/zion/ladymtn.htm

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-lady-mountain.htm

Not exactly "haul "the whole way - I can walk on my own! ; )

I'm gonna be in Zion for a day, and would like to do this hike, but don't have the gear/technical know how to do it alone. Anyone just happen to be out there (or local) wanna do this?

~Randi

[price1869]

Quote: The second spot is not too far up the hill; a right facing off width dihedral about 12' high, weighing in at about V-0 or 5.7 yards.

Wow, 5.7 yards? Way to be precise.




(disclaimer: I know what the Yosemite Decimal System is.)

[Sombeech]

price1869 wrote: Wow, 5.7 yards? Way to be precise.

Just in case you brought a 5.6 yard rope, and got your hopes up.

[Summit42]

Sombeech wrote: Just in case you brought a 5.6 yard rope, and got your hopes up.
:roflol:

[hank moon]

Ok, so Tanya needs to do a little updatin' - while you're at it, V0 is way harder than 5.7!

Advice on that point: stick to the YDS and delete the boulder rating.

[Cirrus2000]

Randi wrote: http://canyoneeringusa.com/utah/zion/ladymtn.htm

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-lady-mountain.htm

Not exactly "haul "the whole way - I can walk on my own! ; )

I'm gonna be in Zion for a day, and would like to do this hike, but don't have the gear/technical know how to do it alone. Anyone just happen to be out there (or local) wanna do this?

~Randi
Randi, I wish I was going to be there then - I'd be game to climb/hike that, especially after trying some of my first sandstone trad climbing in Red Rocks last week. What a rush. Unfortunately, I'll be there a week after you.

Hope you manage to find a partner...

[Bo_Beck]

hank moon wrote: Ok, so Tanya needs to do a little updatin' - while you're at it, V0 is way harder than 5.7!

Advice on that point: stick to the YDS and delete the boulder rating.

First of all it is rated 5.7 according to me. Errors do happen. 5.7 yards was obviously a typo.

Second.. The chimney that once had a steel ladder is a 1 move problem that doesn't require a rope, but most individuals feel more secure. V0 is the easiest boulder problem and I rate the 1 move problem at V0....should I call it V minus 5? Not! It is a V0 boulder move, but if you want it called 5.7 then we'll call it 5.7 by golly!

[tanya]

Bo_Beck wrote: 5.7 yards was obviously a typo.

Opps...... :oops:

It's fixed :mrgreen:


Randi! :nono: Quit causing problems. :lol8:

[price1869]

I thought it was a cute typo.

I walk into the wilderness tomorrow. No backpack, no tent, no pad. If I survive, you'll hear from me before 10/15

[Cirrus2000]

price1869 wrote: I walk into the wilderness tomorrow. No backpack, no tent, no pad. If I survive, you'll hear from me before 10/15
Any clothes? Making a TV show?

Good luck!

[tanya]

price1869 wrote: I thought it was a cute typo.

I walk into the wilderness tomorrow. No backpack, no tent, no pad. If I survive, you'll hear from me before 10/15


Awwwwww :oops:

What kind of Wilderness? The Zoo?

[Brian in SLC]

Bo_Beck wrote: First of all it is rated 5.7 according to me. Errors do happen. 5.7 yards was obviously a typo.

Second.. The chimney that once had a steel ladder is a 1 move problem that doesn't require a rope, but most individuals feel more secure. V0 is the easiest boulder problem and I rate the 1 move problem at V0....should I call it V minus 5? Not! It is a V0 boulder move, but if you want it called 5.7 then we'll call it 5.7 by golly!

Here's my TR from when we did Jacob Canyon, on the other side. Makes for a nice loop "hike".

Cheers,

-Brian in SLC

Jacob Canyon Descent @ Zion National Park

Overview: Technical canyoneering descent of the canyon located between Jacob and Isaac, exiting in the Court of the Patriarchs. Approach via the Lady Mountain Trail, then 10 rappels, the longest being 215 feet. Compiled by Brian following his and Dwight’s descent on 31 March 2001.

Disclaimer: the information provided herein is for historical reading entertainment and is not intended to be a guide.

Map: Springdale East, Utah (7.5 minute, 1980), Temple of Sinawava, Utah (7.5 minute, 1980)

Reference: Scant word of mouth information. Lady Mountain Trail ascent: reference Bob Lineback’s updated (9-25-84) route description from the Visitor’s Center.

Equipment: Two 60 meter (200 foot) ropes, helmet, small rock climbing rack, rappelling gear, bolt kit, extra sling, rapid links and 3-4 liters of water.

Getting started: Note: all directions will assume hiker is facing the direction of travel. Distances and descriptions are estimates.

Leaving the trailhead located across from the Zion Lodge at 8:00am, we crossed the Virgin River, turned left and hiked up for 10 minutes on the trail to the upper Emerald Pool. At a point where the trail bends around a corner to the northeast, we stopped to read the sign with photographs of a rockslide across the canyon and a small metal sign proclaiming “danger, roll no rock – people below”. Here, a small social trail cuts up the side of the slope, angling to the left (west). We hiked up this trail as it switch-backed to a cliff band. When we arrived at the base of the steep cliff, we followed the faint path around to the right (northeast). Looking climber’s right past the corner, the start of the old Lady Mountain trail appeared in plain view marked with yellow arrows and an obvious path of least resistance.

Lady Mountain Trail: Scrambling up the initial bench, we followed the old trail noting hewn steps, chopped out iron spikes and plenty of multi-colored dots and arrows which made for easy route finding. After a half-hour and following a short scramble, we arrived at the first technical challenge (approximately 5.4): an exposed chimney in a corner. Dwight opted for the bottom of the chimney while I stayed to the right and managed to mantle up without getting into the bomb bay slot. A newer bolt at the bottom and an old iron ring at the top of the chimney were nice for belaying this short, 30 foot section.

Continuing up the rock staircase, the trail then traversed south to southwest on the rim until the steep cliff forced upward progression back toward the right. An old eyebolt marks the bottom of the second and last technical challenge (perhaps 5.6), appearing as a shallow open book just to the right of a small, finger sized crack. Dwight climbed quickly up this steep inside corner, pulled the rope out, hauled up my pack and provided a hasty belay off a small shrub at the top. Taking more time to savor the moment, I found an easier back step stem to the left whilst hauling off the short chopped nub of an iron spike with my right hand which allowed a step up to a right foot hold. Packing up the rope at 9:30am, we hiked and scrambled in and out of gullies and up through a narrow cleft at 10:15am. We followed the steep trail up to the saddle and our first view of the other side of the mountain. Making a mental note to mark this location as our descent, we walked the exposed tightrope over to the base of the cliff band guarding the summit block of Lady Mountain and corkscrewed our way around to the left arriving on top at 10:50am. Passing a couple of bold ravens, we lunched and enjoyed the tremendous views. The old bronze plaque helped identify several of the prominent summits.

After enjoying a short break and the great scenery, we backtracked to the saddle at the base of the steep, east facing wall of Jacob, and began the descent in the shallow, northwest-facing gully. We hiked down, following the path of least resistance at 11:45am.

First Rappel: When the terrain became too steep to descend on foot easily and safely, we found a stout pine tree for an anchor. Rappelling 100 feet enabled us to hike down for a short distance to another large pine, which we then rappelled from for another 100 feet. From this drop, we hiked down into the gully and rappelled off a bush mound for 80 feet, which led to an 8-inch diameter pine tree just out of the gully on the left. Here, the shallow gully we descended took a turn to the left and we rappelled for 80 feet to a low angle slope. Following slickrock, sandy sections interspersed with scratchy manzanita and scrub oak, we worked our way downhill and when the slope started to get steeper, traversed to the right toward the steep main canyon gully. Working our way down and as far to the north toward the steep main canyon as safely possible, at a point where the slope angle changed character to improbable, we made our way to the biggest lone pine tree. Leaving a black sling and 5/16 inch rapid link at the pine tree, I tentatively dropped down the steep slope, taking note of possible ledges en route. Just when I thought I might have to stop and set an anchor, a red sling came into view 160 feet below the pine tree. A welcome pair of baby angles in drilled holes, complete with a newer red rap sling and rapid link, provided a welcome anchor for the final drop into the main canyon. This rappel was a full 200 feet and care was needed to insure that we ended up on a short bench in the canyon bottom adjacent to a much deeper drop in the canyon to avoid rappelling off the ends of our 200 foot ropes.

Down the Main Canyon: A nifty hole in the floor of the canyon enabled us to down climb and avoid a 30-foot rappel. After hiking 100 feet down canyon, we reached a large pour over and on the left side, noticed two stout bushes each with a length of red webbing as rap anchor. At 2:30pm, we rappelled this beautiful, steep drop for 170 feet to the sandy canyon floor. Hiking down through a nice set of narrows, we came to a plunge pool drop, which we avoided by climbing a steep chimney on the right. We down climbed from the top of the chimney to a pine tree and rappelled 50 feet back into the stream course. In passing, we noticed an easy down climb on the backside of the chimney, which would have avoided this rappel. After a short distance, we arrived at the snout of the canyon.

Finale: Peering over the edge, we noted an anchor far below on the right side of the drainage in a short slot. We down climbed secure but exposed terrain for around 150 feet to this shallow slot. On the slot’s left side, we clipped into the museum collection of bolts: 2 old star dryvin bolts with homemade hangers, a girth-hitched sling around a stud and an SMC hanger all linked nicely together with sling and cord to double carabiners. Dwight rappelled first for 130 feet and stopped at a small, exposed ledge where he clipped into a set of three pitons. Noticing that the ropes “seemed” to touch down, I continued the rappel but came up 15 feet short on our 200-foot ropes. Since Dwight could not quite see me, and we were worried about the rope length, he got a bit of a scare when I ejected my backpack to facilitate a less stressful down climb. We walked out 50 feet in the level sandy wash to the final drop of 120 feet to the canyon floor at 4:00pm. The rappel anchor for this final drop was a large tree on the left side with a long set of slings ending in a handy pair of carabiners. At the bottom, we packed up and stayed in the gurgling, spring fed stream course for a short ways until reasonable escape to the right enabled easier travel. Following a small social trail, we noted the fine waterfall at the base of the canyon and walked the short distance to the horse trail and back to the parking lot, arriving at the car at 5:00pm.

Notes: Anticipating a more difficult technical nature to the Lady Mountain Trail, we carried a fair amount of rock climbing protection. While we felt comfortable not using this protection, perhaps many people would as the route is exposed in many locations and a mistake or slip could easily be fatal. We were thankful for very little water in the canyon as we had no wet/dry suits and any swims would have been very cold. The water that appeared in several potholes looked ugly and no attempt was made to render it potable. We each took 3 liters of water, which was consumed prior to the hike back to the car. There was a fair amount of loose rock on this route: a helmet is highly recommended.

Time:: Left the trailhead at 8:00am. Summit of Lady Mountain at 10:50am. Back at the car at 5:00pm.

[Randi]

Cirrus2000 wrote: Randi wrote: http://canyoneeringusa.com/utah/zion/ladymtn.htm

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-lady-mountain.htm

Not exactly "haul "the whole way - I can walk on my own! ; )

I'm gonna be in Zion for a day, and would like to do this hike, but don't have the gear/technical know how to do it alone. Anyone just happen to be out there (or local) wanna do this?

~Randi

Quote: Randi, I wish I was going to be there then - I'd be game to climb/hike that, especially after trying some of my first sandstone trad climbing in Red Rocks last week. What a rush. Unfortunately, I'll be there a week after you.


Hey, thanks. I'll actually be back in Zion the following Th. (11th) to do Kolob but am probably
heading to DV after that. Yeah, it's too bad we can't meet up. But thanks a bunch for being receptive to hanging out. Maybe some other time? I'm always game to head to Zion for a weekend! Ugh, looks like you live kinda far away though...

I'm not big into climbing, but I really enjoy it. And I’ve had a mindset to sort of get more into it, so two years ago I signed up for the RR climbing rendezvous for my daughters and I (they were 12 & 15 at the time). This gig let's you take two "classes" and attend two parties - it's a good deal and fun for the price.

Anyhow, being as our first class wasn’t until 2:00 PM Sat., I decided that we should go climbing in the morning beforehand. I’d followed 5.7/5.8 climbs before and figured I could lead one OK. So I went out a bought a 60 M rope, & 8 quick-draws before I left the OC, then a guidebook once I got there. So I lead my first climb that weekend over on Magic Bus, & it was such a kick! It’s a totally different mindset when you’re leading! Trad seems so much more intimidating to lead though & I don’t know that I’d ever feel that confident!

Red Rocks is such an awesome place. J-Tree too! If you ever find yourself out in this area I’d be down for climbing with with you there! And letting you lead! : ) ~ Oh, and Tahquitz too is an absolutely “must climb” place if you’r e ever out this way!


Quote: Hope you manage to find a partner...

Well, If I do or don’t, Lady mountain isn’t going anywhere and I’ll find something to do regardless but thanks. I’ve been interested in that hike since reading Tanya’s description. It’s the 360 degree view that has me enamored! Can’t wait!

Happy Zion adventures the weekend after the weekend I’m there! So What canyons are you doing? how long you gonna be out there?

~Randi


Hope you manage to find a partner...

[Randi]

Quote: Here's my TR from when we did Jacob Canyon, on the other side. Makes for a nice loop "hike".

Cheers,

-Brian in SLC

Jacob Canyon Descent @ Zion National Park

Overview: Technical canyoneering descent of the canyon located between Jacob and Isaac, exiting in the Court of the Patriarchs. Approach via the Lady Mountain Trail, then 10 rappels, the longest being 215 feet. Compiled by Brian following his and Dwight’s descent on 31 March 2001.

Disclaimer: the information provided herein is for historical reading entertainment and is not intended to be a guide.


Time:: Left the trailhead at 8:00am. Summit of Lady Mountain at 10:50am. Back at the car at 5:00pm.

Hey Brian, thanks for the guide that's not a guide ; )
The TR sure sounds detailed enough to follow ~ even for me!
Sounds like that was an exciting trip!

~Randi

[Brian in SLC]

Randi wrote: Hey Brian, thanks for the guide that's not a guide ; )
The TR sure sounds detailed enough to follow ~ even for me!
Sounds like that was an exciting trip!

Yeah, great day. Lady Mtn was on my radar for YEARS, but, finally got 'er off the list back then. A friend (seasoned climber, second "non-Lowe" ascent of the Lowe Route on the NF of Angel's Landing) highly recommended it as a fun romp, and he was right.

Bonus was the canyon on the backside, which made for a nice loop. Neat to not have to return the way we came, and, had little or no beta for it besides an old '72 Ascent article with some semi messed up route descriptions (classic "East of the Valley, West of the Gunks"). Chatted with Jeff Lowe a tad about that terrain and what was no doubt his hardware from climbing back in the 70's we used as anchors in Jacob. Pretty neat.

Boulder up to V0 on the Lady Mtn route? Geez, that's what, like 5.10a or so? Nah, not on that route.

Also, my ascent was tainted by the grabbing of the little iron nub with my right hand...so, 5.6 A0...ha ha.

Neat gig. Get an early start. We weren't flying up (or down) the thing, but, we didn't get lost either.

-Brian in SLC