Bogley

Black Mage · Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 71 Location: Sunset, Utah

I've finally started taking the bus to school now. It's actually pretty convenient because the 640 runs right past my house, so it's only a one minute walk to the stop, plus it goes straight up to Weber State. So it works well for me. This way I can use my car for doing the fun stuff.

rockgremlin · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 4074 Location: Hotel California

derstuka wrote:
Rockgremlin:

...say we somehow find a limitless supply of fossil fuels....does that mean that we should keep pumping coal/gas/diesel, and other chemicals into our atmosphere till the end of time, or should we, the "supposedly" greatest country on this earth, lead by example and show other countries it can be done, and they should do it?

How much pollution...blah blah blah

Don't think that I don't condone you driving a car, or motorcycle, or boat, I am just saying that as a country our mentality (like sombeech's example of people not ready) does need to change--IMO. If we consumers demand it, change can/will happen.

Have you been reading my posts/responses? Allow me to repost:

"Now that we are as advanced as we are, we SHOULD be setting the example, by being more responsible in our energy usage. Alternative energy sources should be the rule not the exception in America - we have the capability, we should act on it."

I think we agree on the same things. My take is that it is gonna take awhile for this earth to wean itself from fossil fuel usage - but in the mean time we should have sufficient to meet our needs. Now, just because we have sufficient doesn't mean we should be wasteful either.

Shan · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 796 Location: Cache Valley

I think most of us are on the same "side," we're just debating different things on this side.

Superriffic S* · Guest

I just heard on the radio that they are having to divert diesel rigs that have gasoline in them to the South and now there are gas stations here in Utah that are low or out of gas making the prices sky rocket! The gas stations are turning people away because they don't have enough gas in the pumps.

My husband said that one of the 7-11's downtown had the premium grade marked at $3.10 per gallon this morning... (ouch!) They were saying on talk radio yesterday that they are expecting gas to be up to $3.65 by Monday.

Of course it doesn't help that it's a holiday weekend either.

derstuka · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:37 am Post subject:

rockgremlin wrote: derstuka wrote:
Rockgremlin:

...say we somehow find a limitless supply of fossil fuels....does that mean that we should keep pumping coal/gas/diesel, and other chemicals into our atmosphere till the end of time, or should we, the "supposedly" greatest country on this earth, lead by example and show other countries it can be done, and they should do it?

How much pollution...blah blah blah

Don't think that I don't condone you driving a car, or motorcycle, or boat, I am just saying that as a country our mentality (like sombeech's example of people not ready) does need to change--IMO. If we consumers demand it, change can/will happen.

Have you been reading my posts/responses? Allow me to repost:

"Now that we are as advanced as we are, we SHOULD be setting the example, by being more responsible in our energy usage. Alternative energy sources should be the rule not the exception in America - we have the capability, we should act on it."

I think we agree on the same things. My take is that it is gonna take awhile for this earth to wean itself from fossil fuel usage - but in the mean time we should have sufficient to meet our needs. Now, just because we have sufficient doesn't mean we should be wasteful either.

I think you are right, we do agree on some the same things. I do know it will take people a long while to wean themselves off of fossil fuels. I was mostly just responding to your comment about big $$$ oil in Utah, and asking you about the consequences of losing your land for it, as well as further exploration for it, exploiting nature in the process.

I'm full of p*ss and wind lately, and I am all out of both today. This issue is closed for me as I don't have the urge to go on. You can :assault: me now, after all, it is Friday!

Like I told on Utahmtnbiking (Sombeech liked this):

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded."

:afro: Peace, and time for a :pitcher:

rockgremlin · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:37 pm Post subject:

derstuka wrote:

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded."

:haha: :haha: Careful with that quote. I used that quote over on the YahooCanyon forum (which has close to 2000 members), and was SERIOUSLY berated. People came out of the woodwork to spit poison at me. :roll: People just need to chill out. Get laid or something.

derstuka wrote: :afro: Peace, and time for a :pitcher:

Cheers!! :cheers:

derstuka · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject:

rockgremlin wrote:
"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded."

:haha: :haha: Careful with that quote. I used that quote over on the YahooCanyon forum (which has close to 2000 members), and was SERIOUSLY berated. People came out of the woodwork to spit poison at me. :roll: People just need to chill out. Get laid or something.

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Yeah, you're right, I need to be censored sometimes!

Iceaxe · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject:

Quote: The problem is Utah oil is locked up in oil sh ales, and the process to extract the oil from those sh ales is currently not economical...yet. Once the technology to extract that oil becomes more efficient Utah will be making BIG $$$.

Something I know a little bit about.... approximately 10 years ago I designed the prototype plant that extracts oil of shale.... guess what... the process works great!!!

At the time it was cheaper to import oil then extract from shale, but that time is about to end. I expect oil from shale to be BIG in the very near future.

On a side note Canada is already extract a large amount of oil from their oil sand, which is similar to our shale but different. The thing is the Canadian government stepped up to the plate 10 years ago to develop the technology. Our government just kept importing.

Superriffic S* · Guest

This is for all y'all that love to gloat about your hybrid cars...

http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/

ENJOY!!! :2thumbs:

Iceaxe · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject:

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: Hybrid car = queer :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

Black Mage · Guest Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 71 Location: Sunset, Utah

Iceaxe wrote: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: Hybrid car = queer :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

:2thumbs: Hybrid car = substantially lower gas expenses :2thumbs:

accadacca · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject:

Yeah laugh all you want. I keep laughing too. :roflol:

But it only happens every 3 1/2 weeks or so when I go to the pump. :lol8: You know I am NOT a greenie. But I do care about the environment, it is all we have. I was simply in the market for a mid sized car and I only buy Toyota's. I could have had the Camry for the same price. I looked at the mpg city 24/34 highway. Then I looked at the Prius, city 60/51 highway.

Then I started reading about the technology and all the awards that it had won. The size of the car was really similar. The Prius did have it beat in head room tho (important to me). I also liked the Prius for the hatchback. I could load my bike and some gear for camping if needed (stack it to the roof). Really a versatile car.... The Camry is just a sedan so yeah the back is a trunk. The Prius was a better car for us. Looking at the gas numbers, the make up of the car and a $2000 tax deduction. You really don't have to be a brain surgeon to see why I bought it.

I drove it to the swell loaded with camping gear, three people, going 80 mph and on some dirt roads. We drove about 530 miles and it cost under $30 (12 ga tank=44mpg). My truck would have got 18 mpg and cost around $80. I really don't have to remind myself why I bought the car. People EVERYWHERE remind me when they ask, "What kind of gas mileage are you getting?" or "So how much do you save a month driving that?" Its all GRAVY man........call me what you will. I luv it and laugh all the way to the bank. :blbl:

Black Mage · Guest Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 71 Location: Sunset, Utah

I was watching something on CNN a few days ago about this guy who installed a lithium ion battery system in his hybrid. Every night he plugs it into a wall socket and the batteries hold enough charge to drive about 40 miles without ever turning the gas engine on, and 40 miles in more then enough for most people's daily commute. He was saying that he only neeeds to fill his gas tank every 1000 to 1500 miles.

God, I{ wish I had the money to buy a hybrid!

JamisJockey · Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:49 am Post subject:

But what's his electric bill? Is he trading one problem for another?

Lehi · Guest Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 11

If food prices go up, all I need is my shotgun and a few boxes of shells and ill go grouse hunting. :naughty: :defend: