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Sombeech



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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:15 am    Post subject:  

Thought I'd dig this one up again.

Since I've got a DVD burner, I've been burning every DVD I rent. What do you guys n gals think about that? :ne_nau:

Piracy? Or is it just the same as back in the day of the double VCR trick?
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PunchKing



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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:29 am    Post subject:  

Sombeech wrote:
Since I've got a DVD burner, I've been burning every DVD I rent. What do you guys n gals think about that? :ne_nau:

Piracy? Or is it just the same as back in the day of the double VCR trick?

It is true that it is the same as the double VCR trick but for some movies it is the only way to get a copy.

Recently I decided I wanted a copy of the Hit Movie "Rad" the BMX movie from the 80's. Well I found it on one of the music & movies "Stealing" services.

Now who has the coolest DVD ever. :twisted: Ha!
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Sombeech



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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:38 am    Post subject:  

Rad! Oh, man, that was a cool show back in the day.

Training for the bike backflip...
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject:  

I have a bunch of stuff I downloaded back in the Napster days, but these days I don't download without paying for it.
I've been having trouble buying from Wal-Mart lately, thier software doesn't want to install properly on either of my PC's. Any suggestions on where else I can pick up music paying per song, rather then some bullsheot membership fee? I usually only go for a few songs at a time.
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PunchKing



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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:51 pm    Post subject:  

JamisJockey wrote: I have a bunch of stuff I downloaded back in the Napster days, but these days I don't download without paying for it.
I've been having trouble buying from Wal-Mart lately, thier software doesn't want to install properly on either of my PC's. Any suggestions on where else I can pick up music paying per song, rather then some bullsheot membership fee? I usually only go for a few songs at a time.

First, WalMart Controls America. :flag:

Second, I know of a few but they are 99 cents instead of the 89 cents from Walmart. MSN has a service and you can buy them from apple's I-Tunes.
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Superriffic S*
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:20 pm    Post subject:  

I discovered a site that will allow you to download music and pay by the mega-bite. You can choose the quality you want it to import as well, a.k.a. mp3, mp4, aac, cd quality etc. I downloaded 600+ songs for about $70. However, I am not going to name the site on here because I don't want this little jewel taken away from me because sooo many people go to the site. If you want the "411" PM me.

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JamisJockey
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:27 pm    Post subject:  

PunchKing wrote:

First, WalMart Controls America. :flag:

Second, I know of a few but they are 99 cents instead of the 89 cents from Walmart. MSN has a service and you can buy them from apple's I-Tunes.

Yea, I despise Walmart but they make it hard to shop elsewhere. I'm willing to eat the ten cents per song and buy some music elsewhere. I'm going to try Yahoo I'll let ya'll know how that goes.
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dbessee
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:23 pm    Post subject:  

I don't download tunes but I've downloaded books and I rip cd's for my mp3 player.

It's strange. A couple of the Baen authors I read post some of their older books online for *free*. After doing this they found that, contrary to what was touted by RIAA, their new book sales *increased* :haha:

They don't post the new releases but many of their books are there, and it's the only place to get some of the ones that are out of print. I downloaded and read some authors I hadn't read before and ended up buying some of their books too. Made sense, I got to try them out for free and found I liked their work, so I went and bought some of the newer stuff without wondering if I was endangering my gear budget for something I wouldn't like :mrgreen:

Everyone won!
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DirkHammergate
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject:  

My 2 cents,

DVD Burner + NetFlix monthly unlimited = Good times....
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Iceaxe
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:53 pm    Post subject:  

DirkHammergate wrote: DVD Burner + NetFlix monthly unlimited = Good times....

Beer :cheers:

Guns :2gun:

and a 4 wheel drive eclipsee_steering also make for a pretty interesting weekend :haha:
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LJ
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:49 pm    Post subject:  

I like to think I'm waayyy too much of a goodie two shoes for free downloading. But then I am very picky on the songs that go on my mp3 (hey it's the soundtrack of my life) so I only put a song or two on per week so that only comes to $10 per month so maybe if I had more of a financial incentive it might be different. Let's not talk about "free" camping/showers/entrance in national/state park campgrounds............

LJ

PS - I'm just posting stupid replies to things until I get rid of that "rookie" after my name - then I will be more relevant!
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canyonphile
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject:  

Black Mage wrote: As for the idea of stealing from the artists...I am sick of artists who put out a cd with maybe eight or ten songs on it and then have the nerve to charge you $15+. Eventhough the cd only has one or two good songs on it. I refuse to pay for the music I don't want.
Agreed! I have no problem buying CD's if the entire thing is decent...but how often does that happen? Another thing - if the artists weren't charging so damn much (like $15-18) for a CD, they'd have less people pirating their music! I'd be more inclined to buy if they were about $5-8 ea. And like Black Mage says, paying that much for a CD with one decent song on it....eh, no thanks. I don't mind paying a $1 for a song I do like to download off of Yahoo songs or something, but I also don't begrudge people who decide to download all their music for free. I listen to it free on the radio, so what's the problem?

Yeah, technically it's stealing, I suppose. But, I just don't find myself seeing it as an issue that I care about - the artist's certainly aren't hurting for money, and if their goal is to have as many people listen to their music as possible, they shouldn't complain, IMO :bootyshake: .

SJ
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:28 pm    Post subject:  

Iceaxe wrote: Beer :cheers:

Guns :2gun:

and a 4 wheel drive eclipsee_steering also make for a pretty interesting weekend :haha:

Yes, done that too.... hellagood time.
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Sombeech
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject:  

People will compare piracy to stealing somebody's book, or something physical. This is a very poor comparison. Reason? When you copy a CD, the original product still exists.

And also, why does the mass population believe that actors and songwriters deserve to be rich? True, there are many who aren't, but they aren't the main targets of the piracy.

Should these Pop stars really be millionaires? I think even if piracy grew, the stars would still be able to provide for their families. That's the point they forget about.
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greyhair biker
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject:  

The way I look at it is the technology is there to use - why can't the music industry capitalize on it as well and adjust the socalled profitmargin to accomodate . Their overhead,once the equipment is paid for , is plastic and electricity for crap sakes! Oh, and the 'artist' , whos' overhead is himself/herself. I just looked all over the US and Europe to find music from and artist I heard one song from - the only place I found it was in Russia and in MP3 format...you bet your sweet bippy I downloaded all the music I could find of the artist ...primarily because that is the way he had it set up. He makes his money off concerts and sponsorships...Bumac Vitas is his name....'talented russian singer' on PlanetVid.com site :2thumbs: and yes, he is filthy stinkin' rich because 1: he is good and 2: he knows how to capitalize on his talent :cool2:
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