Bogley

[DAA]

fourtycal wrote: DAA, you have inspired me. This little man will be taking his little son coyote hunting this weekend. :2thumbs:

Awesome!

My Son hasn't really got enough patience yet for coyote hunting. So our coyote trips usually turn into jack rabbit hunts. But that's cool too!

Have fun out there!

- DAA

edited to remove family pictures/details

[Sombeech]

Rev. Coyote wrote: Right after your NAMBLA meeting....?

You never officially decided if you were holding the meetings at your house or your church, so it confused a lot of people. I don't think you'll have a big turnout this year.

[Brian in SLC]

DAA wrote: You see, Mr. Rev. Coyote, it's obvious that you and I are not anything alike and don't share the same values.

My bet is that you're closer alike than you realize.

Really good spin on coyote hunting, though, as an explanation and/or reason behind it. Well done.

I dunno. I can see why it upsets folks, though. Does seem like a useless blood lust of sorts.

I'm born and raised in Montana. A girlfriend used to joke, that when I died, I'd have to appear in a place where all the critters I'd snuffed would be to greet me. She used to laugh that it would be the size of a football stadium, filled to the rafters...

I still enjoy "culling" (is that the PC word? Ha ha) them little agents of satan, the ground squirrel (aka golpher, pot guts, whistle pigs, etc). They are evil incarnate, and, I'm sure I'm saving the world. But, the older I get, for some reason, I like seeing them living, wild critters runnin' around. Seems a shame to just shoot them for the sake of seeing them....die?

Hydrostatic shock of a 52gr HPBT at 4Kfps from a 220 Swift is pretty impressive...

Anyhoo...good shootin' to ya, animate or inanimate...

-Brian in SLC

[Rev. Coyote]

Brian in SLC wrote: DAA wrote: You see, Mr. Rev. Coyote, it's obvious that you and I are not anything alike and don't share the same values.

My bet is that you're closer alike than you realize.

Really good spin on coyote hunting, though, as an explanation and/or reason behind it. Well done.

I dunno. I can see why it upsets folks, though. Does seem like a useless blood lust of sorts.

I'm born and raised in Montana. A girlfriend used to joke, that when I died, I'd have to appear in a place where all the critters I'd snuffed would be to greet me. She used to laugh that it would be the size of a football stadium, filled to the rafters...

I still enjoy "culling" (is that the PC word? Ha ha) them little agents of satan, the ground squirrel (aka golpher, pot guts, whistle pigs, etc). They are evil incarnate, and, I'm sure I'm saving the world. But, the older I get, for some reason, I like seeing them living, wild critters runnin' around. Seems a shame to just shoot them for the sake of seeing them....die?

Hydrostatic shock of a 52gr HPBT at 4Kfps from a 220 Swift is pretty impressive...

Anyhoo...good shootin' to ya, animate or inanimate...

-Brian in SLC

Ah, you might be right. The problem I've had with some of the people here is that they kill just to kill -- and that's depravity. It is morally reprehensible (just plain wrong) to kill critters and not use them. Rats kill for pleasure, you know?

I'm not one of those vegan PETA types either (like I need to explain), and engage in hunting (mostly butchering) and fishing. Eat what I catch. I've never killed an animal I didn't intend to eat -- that's a sound moral principle my Dad taught me.

A couple posts up, "DAA" shared a picture of his boy holding some rabbits they got -- nice ones. My only hope is he is teaching that boy to field dress, skin, and prepare that kill. But if he's just taking the kid on killing sprees and leaving the carcasses (like they do with Coyotes), then he's running the risk of creating a monster -- a person who gets a woodie from killing but is too much of a pansy to get elbow-deep in guts.

Let's hope that's not how it goes.

Blah blah blah.

Cheers,
Rev. Coyote
ULC
"Purveyor of Pure Truth"

[Brian in SLC]

I think I'll go have a "mild drink"...perchance made from barley, and other grain...

"Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain."

-Brian in SLC

"Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger."

******************

"I do not believe any man should kill animals or birds unless he 'needs' them for food...I think it is wicked for men to thirst in their souls to kill almost everything which possess life. It is wrong, and I have been surprised at prominent men who I have seen whose very souls seemed to be athirst for the shedding of animal blood. They go off hunting deer, antelope, elk, anything they can find, and what for? 'Just for the fun of it!' I am a firm believer... in the simple words of one of the poets: 'Take not away the life you cannot give, for all things have an equal right to live'."

"We are a part of life and should study carefully our relationship to it. We should be in sympathy with it, and not allow our prejudices to create a desire for its destruction. The unnecessary destruction of life begets a spirit of destruction which grows within the soul. It lives by what it feeds upon and robs man of the love that he should have for the works of God. It hardens the heart of man... The unnecessary destruction of life is a distinct spiritual loss to the human family. Men cannot worship the Creator and look with careless indifference upon his creation. The love of all life helps man to the enjoyment of a better life. ...Love of nature is akin to the love of God, the two are inseparable."

-Joseph F. Smith

[Reedus]

Guess that makes me a monster with a woodie. :ne_nau:

Schaaaawing!

[fourtycal]

Rev. Coyote wrote:
The problem I've had with some of the people here is that they kill just to kill -- and that's depravity. It is morally reprehensible (just plain wrong) to kill critters and not use them. "

It's not at all about killing just to kill. If hunters do not control predator and varmint populations the government will, just to maintain human health and civilization. If we kill too many the government (utah division of wildlife resources) would limit the number that could be taken and collect licence money from hunters and put it into programs and habitat to maintain a healthy population. The fact that a particular animal is not fit to eat has no bearing on the process.

[Rev. Coyote]

fourtycal wrote: It's not at all about killing just to kill. If hunters do not control predator and varmint populations the government will, just to maintain human health and civilization. If we kill too many the government (utah division of wildlife resources) would limit the number that could be taken and collect licence money from hunters and put it into programs and habitat to maintain a healthy population. The fact that a particular animal is not fit to eat has no bearing on the process.

Oh I see. You're performing a public service.

Allow me now to laugh my ass off.

I guess you need to find a justification anwhere you can, no matter how thin.

[Rev. Coyote]

Brian in SLC wrote: I think I'll go have a "mild drink"...perchance made from barley, and other grain...

"Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain."

-Brian in SLC

"Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger."

******************

"I do not believe any man should kill animals or birds unless he 'needs' them for food...I think it is wicked for men to thirst in their souls to kill almost everything which possess life. It is wrong, and I have been surprised at prominent men who I have seen whose very souls seemed to be athirst for the shedding of animal blood. They go off hunting deer, antelope, elk, anything they can find, and what for? 'Just for the fun of it!' I am a firm believer... in the simple words of one of the poets: 'Take not away the life you cannot give, for all things have an equal right to live'."

"We are a part of life and should study carefully our relationship to it. We should be in sympathy with it, and not allow our prejudices to create a desire for its destruction. The unnecessary destruction of life begets a spirit of destruction which grows within the soul. It lives by what it feeds upon and robs man of the love that he should have for the works of God. It hardens the heart of man... The unnecessary destruction of life is a distinct spiritual loss to the human family. Men cannot worship the Creator and look with careless indifference upon his creation. The love of all life helps man to the enjoyment of a better life. ...Love of nature is akin to the love of God, the two are inseparable."

-Joseph F. Smith

I'm no mormon by any stretch, but that's some great writing.

Thanks, Brian. I love to read good proper English.

[stefan]

fourtycal wrote: Rev. Coyote wrote:
The problem I've had with some of the people here is that they kill just to kill -- and that's depravity. It is morally reprehensible (just plain wrong) to kill critters and not use them. "

It's not at all about killing just to kill. If hunters do not control predator and varmint populations the government will, just to maintain human health and civilization. If we kill too many the government (utah division of wildlife resources) would limit the number that could be taken and collect licence money from hunters and put it into programs and habitat to maintain a healthy population. The fact that a particular animal is not fit to eat has no bearing on the process.

while this may be the reason one is permitted (encouraged?) to hunt, i suppose it's more about asking(confronting) yourself truthfully -- what is the primary reason you are out there doing this, that is, what is your real motivation.

... moreover, and what does it mean to put movies of exploding rabbits on the internet, all the while cracking jokes?

[Sombeech]

stefan wrote: what does it mean to put movies of exploding rabbits on the internet, all the while cracking jokes?

This is the only way I can express myself. It's my freedom of speech, and if I can't make videos of killing rabbits, I feel my artistic freedom has been robbed.

Let's just call it "Artistic Expression", so nobody can rightfully complain about it.

[fourtycal]

stefan wrote: fourtycal wrote: Rev. Coyote wrote:
The problem I've had with some of the people here is that they kill just to kill -- and that's depravity. It is morally reprehensible (just plain wrong) to kill critters and not use them. "

It's not at all about killing just to kill. If hunters do not control predator and varmint populations the government will, just to maintain human health and civilization. If we kill too many the government (utah division of wildlife resources) would limit the number that could be taken and collect licence money from hunters and put it into programs and habitat to maintain a healthy population. The fact that a particular animal is not fit to eat has no bearing on the process.

while this may be the reason one is permitted (encouraged?) to hunt, i suppose it's more about asking(confronting) yourself truthfully -- what is the primary reason you are out there doing this, that is, what is your real motivation.


For myself there are many reasons to hunt, I do not need to justify it to myself because it is as plain as day to me. I was just explaining that there might possibly be a reason to hunt other than eating the beast (though I do clean, process and eat every animal I harvest that is fit for the table). A farmer might poisen critters to save his field, a rancher might kill preditors trying to take his livestock, I do it because I am a "little man". :haha:

[stefan]

Sombeech wrote: stefan wrote: what does it mean to put movies of exploding rabbits on the internet, all the while cracking jokes?

This is the only way I can express myself.


huh?

Quote:
It's my freedom of speech, and if I can't make videos of killing rabbits, I feel my artistic freedom has been robbed.

Let's just call it "Artistic Expression", so nobody can rightfully complain about it.

well, it may be your artistic expression, but rest assured, anyone may rightfully complain about it,

[Rev. Coyote]

Sombeech wrote: This is the only way I can express myself. It's my freedom of speech, and if I can't make videos of killing rabbits, I feel my artistic freedom has been robbed.

Let's just call it "Artistic Expression", so nobody can rightfully complain about it.

I dunno, man...I made a series of videos of myself dressed in a giant duck suit beating midgets with a plastic Santa Claus in a bus station. The cops were SO closed-minded about the whole thing and the judge threw out both my 1st Amendment and 14th Amendment appeals.

The arts are constantly under fire.

[Sombeech]

Rev. Coyote wrote: I made a series of videos of myself dressed in a giant duck suit beating midgets with a plastic Santa Claus in a bus station.

The bus station must have been closed. They'll come down hard on you for that.