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psl53 · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:18 am Post subject:

Quote: Scary as Nancy Pelosi is, Heck nothing scares me, that's what guns are for. LOL Isn't gun control being able to hit what you're aiming at?
Who ever said what do you want to do with the weapon is right, figure that out first. 22 ammo is cheap cheap cheap. I like the 40, more stopping power that the 9mm almost as much as a 45. The 357 sig is great but ammo is way expensive. Determine what your needs are going to be, are you going to carry, then weight becomes an issue.
Let us know what you decide.
Power to the Peoples!!
Peter[/quote]

Scott Card · Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 1513 Location: Provo, Utah

I have actually been thinking about this lately also. What handgun would you recommend for personal safety AND for taking in the back country? I have never owned a handgun but my home is insured by Smith & Wesson and Bear River Insurance Company. :cool2: I'd like another "insurance policy" if you know what I mean.

psl53 · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:48 am Post subject:

Scott, Utah has a great concealed carry course that you should be able to access from their gov web site. There are so many choices, many people just love the Glock line, they're simple, light and reasonably priced. There are high end Kimbers and S&W makes a great light weight 45. I have Berettas in 9mm, 40 and 45. I like the way the come apart to clean and shoot great. It's all a personal preference kind of thing. Try to shoot the weapon you're considering; that will help you decide. Also remember that what weapon you're looking at in a store will weight a lot more once you load the magazine with rounds.
Peter

Scott Card · Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 1513 Location: Provo, Utah

Maybe a better question is which gun should I avoid. Don't want it to jam at a critical point in time or do something funky.

jumar · Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1777 Location: Lehi, UT

Go take the hand gun course at Front site and you'll know what you want in a gun. LOL

Iceaxe · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 7806 Location: Local Bordello

I notice that high power, high capacity, auto pistols are waaaaayyyy over represented in this forum. They are fun and have there place, but are most of you really only planning to use your pistol in a combat type situation? The high power, high capacity, auto pistols are the "IT" gun at the moment. And if I'm carrying a gun under the seat of the car or concealed for defense then the auto's are my choice. If I'm buying a gun for fun, hunting or combat they are not my first choice. Guess is what I'm saying is I'm seeing a lot of opinions and not many facts..... I think some of the gun noobs are getting bad advice....

Some things to consider when buying a gun....

First, what are you going to use your gun for?

If you are serious about home defense you might want to consider a shotgun and not a pistol. A shotgun is a much better weapon in close quarter combat.

.22's are your biggest bang for the buck. If you want to have a fun time blasting cans and targets this might be the gun for you.

If you have a serious belief that one day you will have to use a weapon to defend yourself from some type of foreign or government invasion then you want a high powered deer rifle with a good scope. Dollar per effectiveness nothing is as lethal on the battlefield as a sniper. Assault rifles are effective when used in trained groups employing fire team tactics. But for a one or two man team nothing is as deadly as a scoped high powered rifle.

Revolvers are a blast to shot, particularly the big mags. Revolvers are also more accurate then a auto. They are probably also easier for a noob to operate and fire accurately.

If you plan to hunt with a pistol you will want one of the magnum revolvers or one of the big single shots (I love my Super T/C in .223). I've shot several deer with a S&W 44.

As for high power, high capacity, auto pistols I like the 9mm because you can buy ammo really cheap if you buy it by the case at the local gun shows. Now if I were a professional like a cop I might consider something else. But the 9mm has killed more people then all other calibers combined, so it must be pretty efficient. 9mm ammo is probably the easiest pistol cartiage to find. Any one horse town selling bullets will have 9mm on the shelf.

Anyhoo..... I just wanted to make sure some of the noobies didn't get sold on a firearm that was not going to meet their needs. YMMV.

Fire away..... :rifle:

JamisJockey · Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 1023 Location: Woodbridge, VA

Well said, Ice.
:five:

Brian in SLC · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 461

Iceaxe wrote: I notice that high power, high capacity, auto pistols are waaaaayyyy over represented in this forum.

That's 'cause they sexy and what Hollywood promotes.

Marshall statistics on firearms ability to put someone down gives the head nod to the .357 mag.

Its called "spray and pray" for a reason.

I think if I had to have one pistol for plinking, home defense, carry, in the car, on my person, and bear country...I'd have to be a wheel gun. .44mag probably. Or a .357mag.

Way better choices in types and kinds of ammo. Can be reloaded easily (the cartridge, not the gun). Much more "power" than an auto.

You'd never hunt any kind of game animal with a standard auto cartridge. I hear stories of the highway patrol guys trying to finish off deer that are wounded after having been hit by a car. Ugh.

NRA huh? I'm with Pres. Bush senior on that outfit. Slime ball lobbyists. Hard for me to not lump them all together, fair or unfair.

Not that I'd care to debate it on the 'net... At least the Brady Bill got rid of having to mark my checked luggage as containing a loaded firearm.

Amazing times. Assault weapons ban sunsets without a peep from anyone. Wife of a president on second carpet bagging trip to the Senate. And a woman (gasp!) will soon be third in line to run the country. And flat tops are in in Montana.

And so on...

-Brian in SLC ("liberal" gun nut)
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snatch · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 105

go w/ a 60 cal.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=epYM2Qvq4e4&mode=related&search=

derstuka · Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 1275 Location: San Diego, CA

snatch wrote: go w/ a 60 cal.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=epYM2Qvq4e4&mode=related&search=

Holy shiznit! :eek2: Well, the .50 cal handgun has been out for awhile now, so I guess this is possible.

Can't go wrong with a 9mm...like has been said, the ammo is cheap as hell compared to others, and it is a great all around gun. Shotguns are not bad for self-defense, however, that long barrel is a lot easier to grab than a pistol.

shagster · Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 542 Location: Somewhere in Utah

Well I own both a 9mm and a 40. The 9mm is a Kahr, light weight, easy to use and conceal, and nothing to snag on. My 40 is a Springfield XD in a 4 inch. This gun is also an excellent gun. A little bit bigger, but very easy to use and reliable. I have carried both and they are both very comfortable to carry( this depends on your holster also). Both guns are very realiable, and very accurate. I know I feel better having one with me. One very important thing about ownig a handgun for personal protection is being confident in your shooting ability, meaning lots of range time. Good luck choosing.

jumar · Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1777 Location: Lehi, UT

Have you had any problems with the mags on your Kahr? I had a Kahr 9mm, and after a while, the springs in both mags wouldn't push the round up enough to consistently get loaded into the chamber. So I had a lot of malfunctions.

From what I've heard, if you leave the mags loaded (which you likely will for carrying) then they end up with this problem eventually. You can supposedly get a different/better spring put in. I just decided to get a Glock instead, so I wouldn't have to worry about it. But I sure liked it better for carrying.

JamisJockey · Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 1023 Location: Woodbridge, VA

This just in:
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shagster · Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 542 Location: Somewhere in Utah

jumar wrote: Have you had any problems with the mags on your Kahr? I had a Kahr 9mm, and after a while, the springs in both mags wouldn't push the round up enough to consistently get loaded into the chamber. So I had a lot of malfunctions.

You know I have never had a single problem with my Kahr. I leave the mag full all the time, the spring seems to be strong still. It has been a great gun. Hopefully I don't run into any problems later on with it.

jumar · Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1777 Location: Lehi, UT

Yeah hopefully you won't have the same problem. It seemed more than coincidence that both my mags had the problem, so I just replaced the gun. It wasn't until later that I heard about the spring replacements. If you end up having problems you coudl probably just do that. Nice gun when mine was working. LOL