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[Cirrus2000]

The discussion in Win's car camping tent/cot thread is making me think long and hard about my next trip to Utah... I was going to be back in May with the whole family (and I still will), but it looks like I'll maybe come back to southern Utah in either January or March first...

Having only been there in May and September, how wintery is the winter hiking/backpacking that people talk about? Can I hike, say, the South Canyon in January? In March? Longer days in March would probably be better, yes?

(Then I think I'll drive down in the fall, look into some canyoneering... This is getting obsessive!)

Off to check into airfares...

[stefan]

one of my favorite places to hike and backpack in winter is cedar mesa. it can have snow there often, but it's usually not alot unless you're in the higher elevations like upper arch canyon/hammond/darkcanyon.

i have often found there to be no snow to a few inches of snow in fish/owl, bullet/grand gulch, road/lime etc. etc. but it hardly impedes progress.

though one time i enjoyed two days were 2 feet of snow (checked at nat. bridges) fell. my friend brynja and i spent each day in the mule canyons. the alcoves with the ruins were magnificent in this hurling snowstorm ... bright, vibrant orange, and completely dry with a completely white, swirling world outside ... if only i had had a camera then.

the needles is also a great place in the winter.

the list goes on and on ... obviously lower elevation is better. it depends on your tolerance to cold (which it can often be), short days (which you know in vancouver), and the possibility of some snow, or the freak snowstorm.

i am sure scott will have some great info for you

[Scott P]

Quote: Having only been there in May and September, how wintery is the winter hiking/backpacking that people talk about?

I depends on where you are. Winter temperatures in Utah have varied from a low of -69 to a high of 93. As long as you can dress for any temperatures in between there, you could be fine in any part of Utah. :2thumbs:

Prime locations in Utah for winter include the following:

Lake Powell area
Robbers Roost (usually)
Eastern Reef-San Rafael Swell
Laberynth Canyon area
Lower San Juan River
Moab
Snow Canyon
Ticaboo

That should be a good start.

Quote: Can I hike, say, the South Canyon in January?

I'm not familiar with the Utah one. You wouldn't be speaking of the one in Arizona by chance? If so, January is a good time to go.

[Richard Barron]

I know it's not Utah, but I think the most meaningful, most mysterious, most spiritual place to be when it's cold is Chaco Canyon in New Mexico.

http://richardbarron.net/desertcold/

[Cirrus2000]

stefan wrote: ... it depends on your tolerance to cold (which it can often be), ...
Oh, cold I can do... Thanks for the info!
Scott Patterson wrote:
Quote: Can I hike, say, the South Canyon in January?
I'm not familiar with the Utah one. You wouldn't be speaking of the one in Arizona by chance? If so, January is a good time to go.
Yeah, that's the one! (Tanya was mentioning it in the the "cot vs. tent" thread, and I checked out some photos.)

I'd like to see the desert in winter - what's it look and feel like with a dusting of snow? Heading further south for some more moderate temperatures is good, too.

Thanks for the list, Scott - gives me ideas to investigate.


Richard Barron wrote: I think the most meaningful, most mysterious, most spiritual place to be when it's cold is Chaco Canyon in New Mexico.

Wow - looks amazing! More to look into...

I'll have a hard time deciding between doing something with high snow potential, or doing something warmer. (ponder, ponder, ponder...)

[tanya]

Cirrus2000 wrote: The discussion in Win's car camping tent/cot thread is making me think long and hard about my next trip to Utah... I was going to be back in May with the whole family (and I still will), but it looks like I'll maybe come back to southern Utah in either January or March first...

Having only been there in May and September, how wintery is the winter hiking/backpacking that people talk about? Can I hike, say, the South Canyon in January? In March? Longer days in March would probably be better, yes?

(Then I think I'll drive down in the fall, look into some canyoneering... This is getting obsessive!)

Off to check into airfares...


I like to hike South Canyon in the winter, but the dirt road to the trailhead needs to be dry so you dont get stuck. In the summer it would be crowded on the beaches due to boaters and it would be hot. It would be a grueling hike in the heat. (Seems the ones from the bottom of the Grand Canyon back up to the rim are) We did it in December and the weather was perfect all but the last day. The hike back was chilly as a storm was brewing. If we stopped we really noticed, but the cold felt good on the trek up to the rim.

I loved everything about this trip. The remote trailhead started it off right. I like driving in the boonies. Then we never saw another sole the entire hike. When camping for 2 days --- again no one. There was a cold beer or two floating down the river for us though. We had the Grand Canyon to ourselves! :kickit:

http://www.zionnational-park.com/south-canyon-grand-canyon.htm

[stefan]

Cirrus2000 wrote: stefan wrote: ... it depends on your tolerance to cold (which it can often be), ...
Oh, cold I can do... Thanks for the info!
Scott Patterson wrote:
Quote: Can I hike, say, the South Canyon in January?
I'm not familiar with the Utah one. You wouldn't be speaking of the one in Arizona by chance? If so, January is a good time to go.
Yeah, that's the one! (Tanya was mentioning it in the the "cot vs. tent" thread, and I checked out some photos.)

I'd like to see the desert in winter - what's it look and feel like with a dusting of snow? Heading further south for some more moderate temperatures is good, too.

Thanks for the list, Scott - gives me ideas to investigate.


Richard Barron wrote: I think the most meaningful, most mysterious, most spiritual place to be when it's cold is Chaco Canyon in New Mexico.

Wow - looks amazing! More to look into...

I'll have a hard time deciding between doing something with high snow potential, or doing something warmer. (ponder, ponder, ponder...)


well cirrus. basically you can't really go too wrong unless your stuck in too much snow or your vehicle can't make it, that is if you like cold. frequently it can be as cold as 20º F at night or even colder, sometimes warmer, especially if you are more at the elevation of lake powell.

since you like cold, you'll pretty much enjoy anywhere. there is something about winter that is just amazing. it's like no other time of year. the sun is quite a bit whiter, sitting lower in the sky. the light reflecting off of the rock in contrast to the sky has a different quality you just don't see any other time of year. the contrast of the red rock against snow is even more amazing. and the best part is that no one is around! it's just wonderful.


if you haven't been to the north coyote buttes(the wave), winter is an EXCELLENT time to go. if you don't already know, it's a terribly popular place. but in the winter there is little competition for the walk-in permits (given previous day). this is a fantastic area for walking, exploring and whiling over some of the prettiest sandstone you'll ever see.


everyone has their favorite areas in the winter for different reasons. for some reason the cedar mesa area is my favorite. the higher elevation, the canyons, the ruins, some of the grooviest most colorful sandstone around, the ponderosa pines at higher elevations.

you definitely should sample the area and see what you like in the winter. the arches area can also be a really nice area, especially since it's the best time of year to go to avoid the horrible crowds.

looking forward to your reports and photos!!