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mcirque · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 3

I'm not really interested in actually going in this cave but I'm curious as to where it is in Neff's canyon. It's like the 10th deepest cave in America and no one that I talk to actually knows how to get to it (or has even heard of it). I would like to take a hike to it sometime and was wondering if anyone knows how to get to it. Thanks

Scott P · Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 1704

mcirque · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 3

Thanks. I knew it was gated I've just always heard about this cave but have never been able to find it. I was heading up the main trail looking for it that way. I assumed there would be at least a small unmaintained trail to it. I was just looking in the wrong place. :(

Alex · Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 2511 Location: SLC, UT

I swear I walked by it 20 times and never paid attention to it. I live about 3 mins from the canyon and hike it a lot! Is this a natural cave or mining? Is there anything cool to explore inside? Who owns the key and what are the reqs for getting the key?

Thank you!

Alex · Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 2511 Location: SLC, UT

Found my own answers. I can't believe I never heard about this. I lived in the Olympus Cove for over 8 years now and the deepest cave in US is located in my backyard!

http://www.desertusa.com/geofacts/caves.html

Story behind the cave http://www.caves.org/grotto/timpgrotto/Neffs.html

stefan · Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 4427 Location: somewhere

yeah, it's pretty impressive being such deep cave. i have explored it VIRTURALLY through a long series of photos andrew mclean had posted on his website many many moons ago (5+ years?). but i think since he's redone his site(possibly earlier), he's removed access to it (as well as a ton of other stuff). a google search doesn't seem to find it either. if anyone has any good sites with photos, it'd be cool to see it again.

James_B_Wads2000 · Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject:

stefan wrote: yeah, it's pretty impressive being such deep cave. i have explored it VIRTURALLY through a long series of photos andrew mclean had posted on his website many many moons ago (5+ years?). but i think since he's redone his site(possibly earlier), he's removed access to it (as well as a ton of other stuff). a google search doesn't seem to find it either. if anyone has any good sites with photos, it'd be cool to see it again.

Tom Jones used to have a TR on his latest rave index. http://canyoneeringusa.com/rave/index.htm It was the only photos I had ever come across. I went to find them yesterday and couldn't. I email Tom and this was his reply:

Tom Jones wrote: The agreement with the Grotto is that trips to Neff's Cave will not be publicized, so I had to take it down.

It looked like a lot of rappeling just to turn around and jug all the way up.

James

caverspencer · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 181 Location: Eagle Mountain

Neffs is actually "managed" by the National Park Service, or National Monuments or soemthing like that. They are very very very strick about what can be done i the cave and what can be published about the cave.

Neffs is actually the 7th deepest in the continental united sates. There are some lave tubes that bump it down a few notches but the are in Hawaii, and in my opinion lava tubes dont count. Especially when the oftne have "skylihgts" all throughout the tube and they never make it more than a few feet belwo the surface.

http://www.caverbob.com/usadeep.htm

stefan · Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 4427 Location: somewhere

sorry kazak, you'll have to tone down your braggin' now. no exaggeratin'!!

Alex · Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 2511 Location: SLC, UT

Wow. I am still impressed at what I have read today, now I have to tell everyone I live by the deepest cave in US :2thumbs:

caverspencer · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 181 Location: Eagle Mountain

Kazak wrote: Wow. I am still impressed at what I have read today, now I have to tell everyone I live by the deepest cave in US :2thumbs:

Well its not the deepest anymore, in fact it is not even the deepest in Utah anymore.

When Neffs was discovered it was the deepest in the US, for several years.

Iceaxe · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 7759 Location: Local Bordello

caverspencer wrote: Neffs is actually "managed" by the National Park Service, or National Monuments or soemthing like that. They are very very very strick about what can be done i the cave and what can be published about the cave.

Actually you can publish any damn thing you want to about the cave. There is no law against it.

I get tired of all the bullshit stories about you "can't" publish this or that.... its a scare tactic that I see commonly used in regards to caves and Indian ruins.

Now..... Is it ethical to broadband and spray this type information is a different subject.

:cool2:

caverspencer · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 181 Location: Eagle Mountain

Iceaxe wrote: caverspencer wrote: Neffs is actually "managed" by the National Park Service, or National Monuments or soemthing like that. They are very very very strick about what can be done i the cave and what can be published about the cave.

Actually you can publish any damn thing you want to about the cave. There is no law against it.

I get tired of all the bullshit stories about you "can't" publish this or that.... its a scare tactic that I see commonly used in regards to caves and Indian ruins.

Now..... Is it ethical to broadband and spray this type information is a different subject.

:cool2:

They agreement we have is very strick about what we can and cant do or say about the cave, law or not, that is what the cave management plans states and we must abide to that.

Iceaxe · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 7759 Location: Local Bordello

As I mentioned..... a matter of ethics, not law....

Just curious.... is there some place on-line where the cave management plan can be viewed?

mcirque · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 3

I went hiking around Neff's yesterday. I was over in the vicinity where Scott shows on the topo map. I found what looked like a mine shaft that went in horizontally for some ways but for some reason I don't think this is Neff's Canyon Cave. Does anyone know what this looks like? Is that mine looking tunnel the cave?? I was expecting to see some kind of metal cap or grading on top of a hole in the ground???