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Sombeech · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 12181 Location: The Rubbish Bin

Richard Barron wrote: The only handgun even remotely capable of discouraging a bear would be a .357 magnum or .44 magnum, and those things weigh a ton.

Yeah, I'll be bringing my .380 up, and there will be about 3 other firearms up there too.

KillEmAll · Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 475 Location: Layton, UT

Sombeech wrote: KillEmAll wrote: Sombeech wrote: Sportsman's warehouse in Riverdale. It's Muskol brand $4.99

Just saw some last night at Walmart for $3.89.

Really? The highest I saw there was 37%, and it had the "extreme outdoors" quote on it :roll: Where did you find it?

Just to the right of the "extreme". It was the one in Riverdale.

jinx · Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 34

well its not like you have to take the whole roll of duct tape, just wrap it around the pen that you should be carrying with you anyways. put a thick wad around that and it will be easier to write with when your hands are cold and numb too.

Sombeech · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 12181 Location: The Rubbish Bin

jinx wrote: well its not like you have to take the whole roll of duct tape, just wrap it around the pen that you should be carrying with you anyways. put a thick wad around that and it will be easier to write with when your hands are cold and numb too.

We ended up using just a little duct tape. Shad bought a collapseable jug that had some holes in it, and they weren't the air vent holes either.

All together we packed some good stuff. Here is a link to the Trip Report:
http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3099

Sombeech · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 12181 Location: The Rubbish Bin

Changes to the list for next time.

Regarding food, I will NOT take my complete mess kit, I will only bring the pot for boiling water. The plate, pan, and cup can stay home.

I will only eat food that has no clean up, such as cup o noodles, Mountain House, and breakfast bars. I hated adding water to my oatmeal, potatoes, or anything else and then cleaning off the plate for later use.

Eat, and burn the container. No dishes. That's the plan next time.

moabfool · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 680 Location: The Sunset

jinx wrote: well its not like you have to take the whole roll of duct tape, just wrap it around the pen that you should be carrying with you anyways. put a thick wad around that and it will be easier to write with when your hands are cold and numb too.

Or wrap some around your Nalgene bottle.

Backpacker Magazine recently tested various brands of duct tape. All performed about equally when dry, but Gorilla Tape is the only one that didn't lose its adhesive properties when wet. Something to consider when using duct tape as a blister preventative.

Brian in SLC · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 447

Richard Barron wrote: The only handgun even remotely capable of discouraging a bear would be a .357 magnum or .44 magnum, and those things weigh a ton.

A ton being 2000 lbs.

I note that S&W makes several models of .357 that clock in between 12 and 19 ounces.

Seem like you could get a .44 mag down to around 26 ounces.

That'd be a bit less than a ton.

A friend of mine's brother killed the Montana state record black bear with a .22 a few year's back. Also knew a guy that killed one with a 9mm. Not recommended, but, just sayin'....

There's more model hand cannons out there than you can shake a can of pepper spray at. .454, .460, .500, etc etc. Anyone ever shot one of them BFR's in .45-70? Yikes.

-Brian in SLC (who covets a mountainlite in .357)

moabfool · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 680 Location: The Sunset

Brian in SLC wrote: A friend of mine's brother killed the Montana state record black bear with a .22 a few year's back.

A real 22 (22 long rifle or a 22 magnum) like kids take plinkin', or a 22-250 which is a high-velocity round used for hunting big game? Old Ephraim was brought down by a .25-35, not much bigger than a .22-250.

http://library.usu.edu/Specol/ephraim.html

accadacca · Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 7690 Location: On Your Screen

I brought one of these with me: S&W .357 Mag Long - 7 shooter

Bring on them baaaarss... :cool2:

JimmyD · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Draper for now

I don't see the point of bringing a gun for bears unless you hope to kill a bear. I have been backpacking in the Wind Rivers many times and I have seen plenty of bears but i have never needed a gun. For me they are just large pests. :frustrated:

On one trip we had them going through our camp every night. You are fine as long as you don't have food in your tent. But I must admit it was a little intimidating when they would brush by your tent.

We put our food on top of a big boulder and they couldn't get at it. One morning we woke up and had a mother that had sent her two cubs up a tree next to the boulder and they were trying to get at the food. We all just stood there and watched about sixty feet away. eventually they just gave up and left.

My most violent encounter in the backcountry was actually with a moose.

Sombeech · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 12181 Location: The Rubbish Bin

My fear of bears disappeared after the second night. It then turned to wolves.

If I saw a bear that wasn't afraid of me, I wouldn't shoot it. I would shoot up in the air to scare it away. ... if it wasn't afraid of me.

Plus, we had some fun shooting targets. That's enough reason to bring a gun for me.

JimmyD · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Draper for now

Don't get me wrong, I love me some guns. I have just never thought about needing them for bears. Now that I say this I am probably going to get attacked next time I'm up there. :lol8:

I am starting to get a little off subject but I have heard that if you are confronted by a wolf pack, the best way to avoid being attacked and eaten (assuming you don't have a gun) is to get loud and aggressive and start jumping around and throwing things. They say that they won't attack if they see a possibility of being hurt themselves.

Has anyone else heard this? or is this a bunch of BS :ne_nau:

Sombeech · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 12181 Location: The Rubbish Bin

JimmyD wrote: I have heard that if you are confronted by a wolf pack, the best way to avoid being attacked and eaten (assuming you don't have a gun) is to get loud and aggressive and start jumping around and throwing things.

I'll just pack my fighting gloves next time. Don't mess with the red white and blue.

accadacca · Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 7690 Location: On Your Screen

Sombeech wrote: I'll just pack my fighting gloves next time. Don't mess with the red white and blue.
:lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

paraAdams · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 37 Location: Holladay

JimmyD wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love me some guns. I have just never thought about needing them for bears. Now that I say this I am probably going to get attacked next time I'm up there. :lol8:

I am starting to get a little off subject but I have heard that if you are confronted by a wolf pack, the best way to avoid being attacked and eaten (assuming you don't have a gun) is to get loud and aggressive and start jumping around and throwing things. They say that they won't attack if they see a possibility of being hurt themselves.

Has anyone else heard this? or is this a bunch of BS :ne_nau:

I once took a wolf seminar while on vacation in Alaska, the Wolf expert said that there is not a single documented case of a person ever being attacked by a pack of wolves any where in the world. He said people think wolves are very dangerous because they are portrayed that way in movies.

When we got home, I tried to research this supposed fact, and as of yet I haven't ever heard or read of a person being attacked or even killed by a wolf pack.

Lone wolves on the other hand are more dangerous, and that is usually because they are starving to death (literally).