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[Sombeech]

We're heading to the Wind Rivers soon, and we want to take precautions for the teddy bears up there.

I've heard that if you hike with a little jingle bell, that can keep them away.

But what I'm most concerned with, is night time. What is the best method of tying up your food? Last year, we just strund a rope through our sacks of food, and hung them up in the tree. We will have about 8 of us this time, and was wondering if some kind of cargo net will be better.

Any advice? :ne_nau:

[accadacca]

We can just throw them all in a tarp and tie it up by the corners. :2thumbs:

[Alex]

Common sense is the best defense!

Tie your food at least 50 feet away from the camp.
Do not have any snacks/chocolate bars in the tents.
What I did the last time I was up there, is to tie a rope between the two trees and then another rope right in the middle of the first one. Then all of my food was suspended away from the trees and the ground. With this technique you can tie up seperate smaller bags of food instead of a single large bag.
I'd also get the bear pepper spray, even though it might not work (who knows!), at least it will make you feel better to be armed (and dangerous) :nod:

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[stefan]

one bit of advice, which *may* be of interest to you

drybags can be used to hold your food, especially when you hang it. drybags help to contain a large percentage of the food odor and, secondarily, it keeps your food dry in the rain. course it's a little bit of extra weight.

i used this method (which i learned in alaska) when i didn't have any bear barrels/bearproof containers and i was hiking in tundra near the arctic circle, with no place to hang food.

bells? your choice. maybe you already know this (not foolproof) but if you come across a bear, the most important thing is to make your presence very well known and to make your body LARGE (your hair will help). raise your arms high, don't back away quickly, and call out in a deep, loud voice. the more you make the bear realize that you're not a meak animal, the more likely it will not want to get involved with you or charge you. once you establish yourself and you want to leave, you can move away slowly...always facing the bear and never too quickly.

[mroy]

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/bear_bag_hanging_technique.html

I remember reading that a while back I mistakenly assumed they were serious in explaining the trad system for bear bagging then came step 4.

[Scott P]

Bear advice:

1. You don't have to out run a bear. You only have to outrun the slowest member of your group.

2. Bear cubs are not "cute" and you shouldn't pick them up.

3. Living with and filming bears can be dangerous.

4. If you are eating only Power Bars, you need not worry about hanging your food.

True story:

Some hikers I know backpacked in to a location in Yellowstone National Park and set up camp. They left for a dayhike to a hot spring. While they were gone, a bear raided the camp. The bear couldn't get to the main food stash, but did raid the camp good. The bear ate the groups dirty socks, dirty underwear, some pack straps, and other various items. Someone accidentally left some Power Bars out. There were a few teeth marks in some of them, but the bear did not eat them. The moral of the story is that Power Bars taste worse than dirty socks and dirty underwear.

In all seriousness, forget about the net and hang your food in seperate trees. A cargo net is going to be way too heavy with eight people's stuff and may break the branch, not to mention makes a more conspicuous target for squirrels and such. Black bears can climb trees, but not grizzlies.

If camping above timberline, bears aren't a problem, but marmots can be. If that is the case, only canisters work as their usually isn't anywhere to hang food. I wish I thought of it because the marmots raided our camp on Mt. Belford last year, and either ate or pooped on all my then three year old son's favorite treats (including his gummy worms) :cry: .

[icthys]

Careful about the way you string up your bear bag. We had a bear cut ours down years ago in the Winds. That said, I'm not going to suggest how to hand a bear bag, it'll just get cut down.

[accadacca]

Scott Patterson wrote: The moral of the story is that Power Bars taste worse than dirty socks and dirty underwear.
:lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

[Mtnman1830]

I remember a story about a guide telling his clients that 'jingle bells' will make bears aware that you are around. When the hiker asked the guide how he could tell the difference between black bear scat and grizzly scat, the guide told him the grizzly poop has bells in it.

[northernoutpost]

A few random thoughts for you...

One thing to do is be aware of your surroundings while you are hiking. Bear encounters are more likely in open areas of low visibility, such as avalanche paths with a lot of thick brush. You can sort of pick and choose where to be noisy, if you like. Bears in a lot of the more popular hiking areas have acclimated to the sound of bells, and the result is an uneffective method that will quickly become annoying. Singing or talking is better, although maybe your partners will think differently :haha:. Also remember that most bears will go out of their way to avoid you, provided they have advance warning. In many cases, if you are walking in a downwind direction, there will be no problems unless the bear is specifically seeking an encounter (eg predatory). Of course, you can't always have this advantage.

I've always been a little skeptical about over the counter bear-proof containers. Those buggers could detect a fart in Argentina if given the chance. There are a few home deterents that you could mix up, but the general best approach is just to hang the food. You have to get more creative above treeline. Your biggest problem is more likely to be rodents of varying sizes.

Another thing to keep in mind is that response to a bear encounter will vary according to species and behavior. "Making yourself big and assertive" is good for black bears, but grizzlies (I know a few have ranged into the northern Winds) are a different matter. The standard approach if an encounter has occurred is to back away slowly while keeping the bear in vision (but avoiding eye contact). Both species will tend to bluff charge, and there is not much I can suggest other than to bring an extra pair of underwear... :2thumbs:

Predatory behavior is rare, but in an unprovoked attack, the basic route is to fight back against either, although a Grizzly will generally win. The "drop and cover" approach sometimes works in these cases, but not always. I can offer up that I see dozens of bears each year in the course of work and play, but have never had a problem and personally have only met two people that have been attacked.

If you can find it, a copy of "Bear Attacks: Their causes and avoidance" (James Herrero, I believe is the author) is a good read.

Oh, and as was recently discovered by a remains-to-be-identified individual, bear spray and crampons do not mix. The burning doesn't subside for hours....

[Alex]

northernoutpost wrote:
although a Grizzly will generally win.

...you don't say :roflol:

[stefan]

northernoutpost wrote:
Another thing to keep in mind is that response to a bear encounter will vary according to species and behavior. "Making yourself big and assertive" is good for black bears, but grizzlies (I know a few have ranged into the northern Winds) are a different matter. The standard approach if an encounter has occurred is to back away slowly while keeping the bear in vision (but avoiding eye contact).

that's interesting in 3 parks i have been to in alaska [including denali, which requires extensive information for backcountry], i don't remember their making such a distinction. they recommended using the same approach in both cases, if i remember correctly.

could you explain more clearly (besides eye contact) the difference?

[Shan]

I didn't read all the replies, but I found that there just weren't good trees for hanging food! Too short of tree, not long enough branches, rope was not long enough of other rigging ideas.

We stayed at Seneca Lake for 2 nights (up Elkhart Park) and we actually hung our food over a cliff, so yes our food was dangling over the water. That was a little nerve racking to me as I feared each morning we'd wake up with no food!

Our final destination was Titcomb Basin which has NO trees to hang anything. So what do you even do there? I guess put it far away from camp under some big rocks. At least that was the plan (but we didn't make it there that trip).

So if you put it in the tree, it needs to be out from the trunk 10' or else the bear can just climb the tree and get your food. YOu can try googling how to hang food in bear country and there will be a few diagrams I bet.

I also didn't bring any scented toiletries. Everything was unscented. I am a big scaredy cat in bear country. Sleep is basically out of the question for me. Nothing in the tent, not even chapstick.

Your tent, cook/eat area, and food should all make a 100' triangle. Keep them all separate. AND - I even slept in different clothes than I cooked in. There's grizzlies up there - you don't want to mess around.

I didn't wear a bell but I talked loudly before turning any blind corners.

[Shan]

Do bears like bug spray? I mean it does have a scent even though it may claim to be unscented. I would try to wash the DEET off before bedtime as much as I could. My husband thought I was being too extreme. But hey, I did NOT want to encounter a bear.

[Alex]

Also, just an FYI, it's better to stay away from the bear country if it's close to the time of the month. Kind of a common sense, but I have gone with one girl in the past who wasn't aware of that. Luckily, we came out ok without any trouble.