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[JP]

UTJetdog wrote: A comment like that makes it seem you're just angry at having to share the road with cyclists too. Hmmmm.
:roflol: Comments like yours proves your a kid in that playground :haha: And, mass and momentum wins :haha: If you're dumb enough to break the simple rules of the road, you will end up part of that road :haha: I have no problems sharing the road with anyone, I do have a problem with the snobby liberal Yuppies that are found on such toys in the middle of the street. Get a mountain bike and go where you won't have to worry about such vehicles :haha: :haha: :haha:

[fourtycal]

UTJetdog wrote:
It would be interesting to read the actual police report. We can probably at least agree on that.

Yes for sure :2thumbs:

Don't get me wrong here, I like bikes. I don't have much use for skinny tires or wearing spandex :haha: but I have a smooth tire commuter bike and ride 12 miles round trip to work every once in a while. I have cars honk, people yell and especially great are the diesel trucks that think it's funny to smoke a rider. But I am irritated at the one sided news story and the fact that they pretty much told every driver that it is the law to surrender the road to bicycles.

[UTJetdog]

Quote: snobby liberal Yuppie Now I've been called a lot of things, but that's a first for any of those terms. :haha:

Quote: Get a mountain bike No road bike here! :nono:

Its interesting how one can presume much from behind a monitor, yet be so far off.

And yet another thread comes to a sorry demise with name calling. :blahblah: :roll: :popcorn:

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[fourtycal]

UTJetdog wrote: No road bike here! :nono:

Its interesting how one can presume much from behind a monitor, yet be so far off.

Yes it is but you did say you were there Quote: I didn't get that from a news report - I was there

So are you the driver :ne_nau: :haha:

[JP]

fourtycal wrote: But I am irritated at the one sided news story and the fact that they pretty much told every driver that it is the law to surrender the road to bicycles.
Agreed :2thumbs:

UTJetdog wrote: Now I've been called a lot of things, but that's a first for any of those terms. :haha:

Its interesting how one can presume much from behind a monitor, yet be so far off.

And yet another thread comes to a sorry demise with name calling.
You're welcome :haha:

:roflol: Ohh, it's interesting how one can presume much from a one-sided news story :haha:

And yet another thread :ne_nau: With 31 posts, you haven't seen anything yet :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

[sparker1]

I ride a bike occasionally, and I once had a tractor-trailer swerve toward me when I was on the shoulder. Caused me to go in the ditch. On the other hand, I've been a driver behind an organized biking event and they mostly ignore cars they are holding up, like their event gives them the right to block the road. They will ride two or three abreast and make no effort to allow passing room. Not all of them, mind you, but many do. If this were he case, I'm sympathetic to the driver. Who says he swerved toward the biker? The biker who grabbed the mirror? Was the biker pissed that the driver tried to get around and interpreted it as a "swerve". True facts may never come out.

[crankshank]

JP wrote: UTJetdog wrote: A comment like that makes it seem you're just angry at having to share the road with cyclists too. Hmmmm.
:roflol: Comments like yours proves your a kid in that playground :haha: And, mass and momentum wins :haha: If you're dumb enough to break the simple rules of the road, you will end up part of that road :haha: I have no problems sharing the road with anyone, I do have a problem with the snobby liberal Yuppies that are found on such toys in the middle of the street. Get a mountain bike and go where you won't have to worry about such vehicles :haha: :haha: :haha:
It would seem that trail riding would be the obvious solution, but you do have to watch out for confused hippies that are protesting bikers.

It's easy to be a hypocrite when you are behind the wheel or in the saddle. I have found myself pissed off in both seats, and I have noticed a lot of idiots from both perspectives.

[JP]

crankshank wrote:
It would seem that trail riding would be the obvious solution, but you do have to watch out for confused hippies that are protesting bikers.

and I have noticed a lot of idiots from both perspectives.
:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

And that is the exact point :2thumbs:

[crankshank]

JUST A FEW POINTS:

When was the last time you grabbed a mirror of a moving vehicle?

Race organizers and local cops should be blamed for not communicating traffic conditions and failing to provide lane closures or detours.

If I see you riding a $4000 bicycle down the road I am going to automatically assume you are a Liberal Yuppie, unless you are passing my truck and are obviously fast enough to be sponsored.

They should take this guys truck from him and make him ride a bike to work.

Out of all those people why was this cyclist the only one hanging from a mirror? I have to assume this guy reacted to a comment or gesture from the driver.

I would advise roadies to keep their heads down and keep breathing through their nose... or stop, remove their seatposts and try to look as tough as possible (good luck in those unitards.)

[moabfool]

JP wrote: UTJetdog wrote: A comment like that makes it seem you're just angry at having to share the road with cyclists too. Hmmmm.
:roflol: Comments like yours proves your a kid in that playground :haha: And, mass and momentum wins :haha: If you're dumb enough to break the simple rules of the road, you will end up part of that road :haha: I have no problems sharing the road with anyone, I do have a problem with the snobby liberal Yuppies that are found on such toys in the middle of the street. Get a mountain bike and go where you won't have to worry about such vehicles :haha: :haha: :haha:

It's this simple, operating a motor vehicle is a priveledge, not a right. That priveledge is contingent upon an agreement to abide by the rules placed thereon. That's why motorists are issued a driver's license. Cyclists are not required to have a driver's license to use the road. If anything cyclists have more right to use the road than motorists because of that one simple fact.

JP, I've sided with you on the ATV issue many times. How do you feel about the Sierra Club and SUWA trying to push you off public lands so they can use a particular resource exclusively? That's right, you don't like it, yet you say "keep your toys in the playground." That's exactly like the Sierra Club telling you to keep your toys (c'mon, ATV's are nothing but toys) out of what they consider their exclusive playground. Cyclists have just as much right/priveledge to the road as motorists.

As for truck boy, I think his punishment should be that he has to commute to work by bicycle for 90 days. That, and he should have to buy the cyclist a new S-Works.

http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=34168

[James_B_Wads2000]

moabfool wrote:
It's this simple, operating a motor vehicle is a priveledge, not a right. … Cyclists are not required to have a driver's license to use the road. If anything cyclists have more right to use the road than motorists because of that one simple fact.

And that’s why gay marriage should be legal. :haha:


James
:giveit:

[moabfool]

James_B_Wads2000 wrote: moabfool wrote:
It's this simple, operating a motor vehicle is a priveledge, not a right. … Cyclists are not required to have a driver's license to use the road. If anything cyclists have more right to use the road than motorists because of that one simple fact.

And that’s why gay marriage should be legal. :haha:


James


And polygamy :killen: . I told Warren Jeffs he should've built his compound in California, but whould he listen to me? Noooo. He only gets his revelation from "god." :smoking: :toker:

[JP]

crankshank wrote: Out of all those people why was this cyclist the only one hanging from a mirror? I have to assume this guy reacted to a comment or gesture from the driver.
You could be assuming wrong :nod: This driver might have been the only one that did something about it :mrgreen:

moabfool wrote: It's this simple, operating a motor vehicle is a priveledge
That's right, you don't like it, yet you say "keep your toys in the playground." That's exactly like the Sierra Club telling you to keep your toys (c'mon, ATV's are nothing but toys) out of what they consider their exclusive playground. Cyclists have just as much right/priveledge to the road as motorists.
Yes, we do see eye to eye on a few things :five: But, I'm the last one that needs to be told that driving is a privilege, I've been trying to explain that here for sometime. Just because a cyclist, as of now, doesn't need a license to operate doesn't mean he/she has more right to the road. They have to obey the same moving rules of the road as do motorists.

As far as keeping my toy in the playground, I do. Outside of Moab, my toy is never on the road unless it's strapped down to a trailer :haha: My playground is public and private land in which my toy travels :haha: Not much of a street legal toy :haha:

And again, this article was a one sided story with everyone feeling for the kid on his toy :mrgreen: I like how most people think cyclists are always in the right, yet what happens to them when they climb into their vehicles? I would have to say the majority of adult cyclists follow the rules. But, as in any case, then there are the few that feel they own the road. Three abreast taking up a lane and refusing to clear the lane. It takes some balls riding a bike in a road and thinking you're gonna change physics. Helmet or no helmet mass and momentum wins :mrgreen: Anyone care to take that physics challenge :lol8:

[moabfool]

JP wrote: Anyone care to take that physics challenge :lol8:

I see people in cars do it all the time. I don't know what you do for a living, but if I remember correctly you drive a diesel pickup. I've seen what a semi will do even to a pickup truck. No matter the size the smaller vehicle will lose. Despite this I've seen some really agressive truckers and some really suicidal cars. With greater power comes greater responsibility. That espeically applies to motorists.

Here's the point I always make when this subject comes up. I am a cyclist and a motorist. As a motorist I can count on one hand the number of unfortunate run-ins/close calls I've had with cyclists, yet as a cyclist and as a motorist there have been days where I've had multiple close calls with motorists. My only conclusion is that most people are just crappy drivers.

JP wrote: And again, this article was a one sided story with everyone feeling for the kid on his toy

Sorry, big diesel trucks are just toys too. If everyone were forced to drive only what they need most people would be cruising around in Toyota Corollas and mini vans. Heck, most of them would be on a bike or walking. Just because it burns fuel doesn't mean it's not a toy.

I have a friend that drives delivery truck for a living. He gets pissed at the stupid little cars that drive stupid and slow him down. I know for a fact that most of those people have no genuine reason for being on the road. If genuine need is going to be the litmus test then most cars should be parked too. Once again, cyclists have just as much right/priveledge to the road as any car.

JP wrote: But, as in any case, then there are the few that feel they own the road. Three abreast taking up a lane and refusing to clear the lane.

Most of the time I'll get over, but sometimes hogging the road is super fun.

http://flickr.com/photos/moabfool/2657658504/in/set-72157606099186871/

[James_B_Wads2000]

Hey moabfool save your breath. Debating Hank’s alter ego JP is a waste of time. :nod:

For all those people that believe that JP is real, this is a proof otherwise. If JP was a real person he would realize he and moabfool share the same ideals and that both of you have the same basic opinion on this subject. But Hank is trying extra hard to troll and pick a fight. It is pretty obvious that he is arguing just for the sake of arguing.

Hank’s JP is like a bad advertisement, if you ignore him he will he will just go away. :haha:


James