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[DWayne27]

yeah- i have been looking at all those sites and route descriptions. i think they get their info from a kelsey book. Sorry for all the questions- i apprecaite the response.
trackrunner wrote:
No, Wild Cat Canyon is even before Das Boot, it's Upper Upper Upper Left Fork.

so- does the wild cat canyon route inlude das boot + more, or is it something different?

[trackrunner]

DWayne27 wrote: yeah- i have been looking at all those sites and route descriptions. i think they get their info from a kelsey book. Sorry for all the questions- i apprecaite the response.
trackrunner wrote:
No, Wild Cat Canyon is even before Das Boot, it's Upper Upper Upper Left Fork.

so- does the wild cat canyon route inlude das boot + more, or is it something different?

Yes its Das Boot and more.

This thread talks about the Full Left Fork. It started out as Das Boot but turned into the the "Full Left Fork" thread.
http://www.bogley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12782

this is about Full Right Fork, but the "Wildcat Canyon" section applies to Full Left Fork.
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/utah/zion/right.htm

[shaggy125]

start really early, it's a super long day, many hours longer than the standard subway route. The Left Fork of North Creek is one long drainage. One short section of it is called the subway, another short section, above the subway, is called Das Boot. If you do the FULL drainage, you start where Wildcat Canyon comes into the drainage, do some upper narrows, a long but more open section with lots of swims, then a lower narrows (the Das Boot section) then you hit the Subway. One drainage, different names for different sections of the drainage. As I said before, it's a super long day, emergency bivy gear would be a good idea to have just in case, especially if you start late and if it's full you will be swimming more than walking in the upper sections so be prepared. Some of the coldest water I've encountered canyoneering has been in the upper Left Fork, 90 degrees in the land above and we could see our breath at the bottom of the canyon... brrrrrr... I still shiver thinking about it.

[DWayne27]

so what about the russel gulch option? from the climb-utah beta it looks like that adds to the hike with a few more rappels and spices it up a little bit. does it add much water/swimming? more rappels would be fantastic, but we are trying to keep the cold water to a minimum as we dont have wet suits

[shaggy125]

I personally wouldn't do the upper section without wetsuits. You could get lucky and have it be dry, but if it's full and cold... could be bad. The upper section of the Left Fork is beautiful and lots of fun with proper cold water protection but has only a few very short awkward rappels, Russel Gulch has longer and more exciting raps and would be more fun for someone who likes to rappel and doesn't have wetsuits.

[DWayne27]

shaggy125 wrote: I personally wouldn't do the upper section without wetsuits. You could get lucky and have it be dry, but if it's full and cold... could be bad. The upper section of the Left Fork is beautiful and lots of fun with proper cold water protection but has only a few very short awkward rappels, Russel Gulch has longer and more exciting raps and would be more fun for someone who likes to rappel and doesn't have wetsuits.

awesome- thanks for all the quick and helpful info everyone. i think i am gonna try and talk everyone in to the russel gulch route as i know we are looking for a little more excitement than the standard route without commiting to a long and intense day with lots of cold swimming. seems like russel gulch will be perfect for us

[Bo_Beck]

DWayne27 wrote: yeah- i have been looking at all those sites and route descriptions. i think they get their info from a kelsey book. Sorry for all the questions- i apprecaite the response.
trackrunner wrote:
No, Wild Cat Canyon is even before Das Boot, it's Upper Upper Upper Left Fork.

so- does the wild cat canyon route inlude das boot + more, or is it something different?

:lol8: :roflol: :roflol: :lol8: :haha: Kelsey?! Great idea!