Bogley

[DWayne27]

Does anyone know how all the rain and flooding is affecting the subway? I have never done it before and might have a chance this weekend. Just wondering how much water is usually in there, specifically right now, and if there are long full on swimmers or just chest deep wading or what...

[Iceaxe]

The Subway never changes much and always has water because it's spring fed.

Two short swims and a bunch of wading from ankle to chest deep is the standard.

:cool2:

[DWayne27]

thanks for the info. how many route options are there that end up in the subway? some friends got permits for saturday and said the route we are gonna do is more than the standard subway, but isnt das boot. they say it starts outside the park. any input on these routes or what they are like?

[Iceaxe]

Ask your friends where they are buying their dope from..... must be some good stuff. :haha:

All drainages feeding Left Fork originate inside the park.... if my map is correct....

:smoking:

If they are skipping Das Boot... the only other descent entrance I know of is the direct down Russell Gulch, and it's inside the park.

:popcorn:

[trackrunner]

Iceaxe wrote: All drainages feeding Left Fork originate inside the park.... if my map is correct....

:nod: Yeah, looking at my map it's the same. Ice maybe we both have bad maps.

The standard route is the Northgate Peaks trail to along the rim of Russel Gulch to the left fork.

Russel Gulch is another option of 3 rappels @ 100ft each.

Das Boot & Upper Left Fork are two other ways.

[DWayne27]

so they werent sure were the other drainage was. lots of confusion i think. i have never done it so am i sure i am sounding like a noob. they say we are going down wild cat canyon and then in to the subway?

[DWayne27]

looks like that is just the standard route?

[Iceaxe]

No... sounds like you are doing the FULL Upper Left Fork which inculdes Das Boot... but some still call the full meal deal Das Boot.... It will be a long day. Wildcat is scratchy.

[trackrunner]

DWayne27 wrote: so they werent sure were the other drainage was. lots of confusion i think. i have never done it so am i sure i am sounding like a noob. they say we are going down wild cat canyon and then in to the subway?

DWayne27 wrote: looks like that is just the standard route?

Standard Subway route is Wildcat Canyon Trail to Northgate Peaks Trail, to along the rim of Russel Gulch into Left Fork.

"Strait up Wildcat Canyon desend" is the FULL Left Fork.

Edit: Ice keeps beating me in the post war. We both are replying at the same time.

[Iceaxe]

trackrunner wrote: Strait up "Wildcat Canyon" is the FULL Left Fork.

You mean DOWN Wildcat Canyon is the full meal deal....

Or... maybe you guys are using the same map? :ne_nau:

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

[Iceaxe]

trackrunner wrote: Ice keeps beating me in the post war. We both are replying at the same time.

Just repackage the Kool-Aid as "Country Time", but add the "New and Improved!" label.

:haha:

[DWayne27]

so- wild cat canyon is the same route as das boot?

[trackrunner]

Iceaxe wrote: trackrunner wrote: Strait up "Wildcat Canyon" is the FULL Left Fork.

You mean DOWN Wildcat Canyon is the full meal deal....

I meant "strait up" as slang. Like Dude doing Wildcat Canyon and only being prepared for the Subway will result in an epic underprepaird TR.

Good call.

:cool2:

[trackrunner]

DWayne27 wrote: so- wild cat canyon is the same route as das boot?

No, Wild Cat Canyon is even before Das Boot, it's Upper Upper Upper Left Fork.

Edit: Post before Ice

[trackrunner]

Sounds like you guys need some acurate beta

http://canyoneeringusa.com/utah/zion/subway.php
http://canyoneeringusa.com/utah/zion/boot.htm

http://climb-utah.com/Zion/subway.htm
http://climb-utah.com/Zion/boot.htm

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-national-park-subway.htm
http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-das-boot.htm

Read the Wildcat Canyon Section here about the Full Left Fork
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/utah/zion/right.htm