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[Sombeech]

Well, I pay taxes on both my cars too. :cool2:

Most people you see road biking will only do it once or twice a week, and have as many automobiles as the average person.

The real difference is the gasoline tax. That's what's paying for the maintenance on the roads, where cyclists will have less impact.

On the other hand, cyclists can still get speeding tickets and traffic violations, since they are operating a vehicle.

[stefan]

Ih8grvty wrote: people on bikes in some areas make me want to run them off the road.I have however never done so. Especially in the uintas! the ones that ride in the middle of the lane, not sliding over so I can pass them... those are the ones that i think about giving a friendly 'bump' on the rear tire.
IF bikes are going to be in places cars go, both parties need to give each other some respect.
I always see people bitching about cars when they ride bikes, If bikers (most are good about it but some :frustrated: ) used some common sense and stopped the attitude that they have the same rights as a car

dude ... it's the uintas ... you should be enjoying the scenery :ne_nau:

friendly bump? imp of the perverse ...

[abirken]

Man that's it! I'm buying a unicycle. :lol8:

[JP]

Sombeech wrote: since they are operating a vehicle.
A motor vehicle is what brings the registration on. Motorized down to a certain C.C. depending on your State. But, even though a bike is self-powered and a walker is foot powered, once they hit a roadway they are subjected to laws of safe travel. We're all supposed to work in harmony together :mrgreen:

[oldno7]

The biggest problem with bikes on hiways is the speed difference. Until bikes can maintain a 45 mph minimum they will be hit and killed.
Lets see-- If I'm traveling down a mountain road and come around a blind curve and theres a biker in the middle of the lane and traffic coming in the other direction, I know what "my" best option is.(hint) a head-on is out of the question. :twisted:

Yep--pay more taxes and build your own roads. :fishing:

another question comes to mind: Is it better on you and your car to accelerate over a biker or slow your speed a little over a biker? What makes an easier clean up? I also think the faster your going the less likely you are to spill your beer. :popcorn:

[Jaxx]

bikers are insured by the liability limit on their homeowners/renters policy *usually


*Some restrictions apply. See your local insurance agent for more details. Only applies to people with said coverages. Jaxx accepts no responsibility for telling you whatever he wants with nothing to back it up, aka pulling it out of his a#@. But if you need this coverage give him a call!

[moabfool]

Ih8grvty wrote: people on bikes in some areas make me want to run them off the road.I have however never done so. Especially in the uintas! the ones that ride in the middle of the lane, not sliding over so I can pass them... those are the ones that i think about giving a friendly 'bump' on the rear tire.
IF bikes are going to be in places cars go, both parties need to give each other some respect.
I always see people bitching about cars when they ride bikes, If bikers (most are good about it but some :frustrated: ) used some common sense and stopped the attitude that they have the same rights as a car, and a few more inhabitants of the autos pulled their heads out, it would be hella better for both parties.
As to veering towards the bikes, you should keep some old fashioned jacks in your pocket, ditch the bike and toss them out in front of the car :naughty: If ya got time and some james bond fantasy, you could even rig the bike up to drop the jacks. Maybe sharpen the tops up a bit to ensure they pierce the tire. Kids have left em out and I promise they will pierce the foot on your skin, sharpen em up and they should do a tire reasonably well. Maybe make the car pull over so you can have a face to face about the 'scare'

Okay, first and foremost a person on a bicycle is called a "cyclist." "Bikers" wear leather and ride Harleys. Second, if you have problems with a cyclist there's a 99.9% chance it's because you're a crappy driver. I can count on one hand the number of frustrating encounters I've had with cyclists and I've been driving for over half my life. Contrast that with the fact that I have an unpleasant encounter with a motorist about once a week when I'm cycling. The finger of blame is pointed squarely at the motorists.

From what I hear the problem is worst in Utah where we have the most ignorant drivers on earth. Dave Zabreiske (?sp), who has won a stage or two of the Tour de France, had ridden all over the country. He's been hit by cars twice; both times in Utah.

I will agree, cyclists can be pretty demanding, but motorists can be too. I feel both parties could give a little and gain a lot.

[moabfool]

davis_b_1 wrote: Bikes should NOT be legal on the road unless they are licensed and insured just like EVERY other vehicle on the road. Once you have to pay the same as I do for using the road then I will be more than happy to share it with you as long as you get the hell over when I am coming.

That is one of the weakest arguments the anti-cyclists fling. The average recreational cyclist earns over $70k/year and owns more than one motor vehicle. The taxes are being paid as well as the insurance. Cyclists cause essencially no wear to the road, not nearly as much as even the smallest motor car.

[moabfool]

JP wrote:
Instead of making this anti-vehicle, let's not leave out the bikes. The ones that do not stop at stop signs and the ones that feel just because they're wearing a fancy little helmet, rules of the road do not apply to them. I've seen tons of accidents where the cyclists were at fault of the accidents they were involved in. From kids that didn't know any better to arrogant adults that should have known better.

I agree, cyclists should obey all traffic control signals. But what if they don't? Why do motorists get so angry about this, especially if it does nothing to slow them down? I think it's a jealousy issue more than anything. They wish they could weave through stopped traffic or bust through four-way stops. Get over it. If the cyclist gets hit they're the one who will pay the price. Whether the stone hits the glass or the glass hits the stone the result is the same.

BTW, do you see cyclists getting angry because there's a car out there somewhere doing 90 on the freeway (something illegal that they can't do & and has zero effect on their life)? I think not.

[cachehiker]

davis_b_1 wrote: Bikes should NOT be legal on the road unless they are licensed and insured just like EVERY other vehicle on the road. Once you have to pay the same as I do for using the road then I will be more than happy to share it with you as long as you get the hell over when I am coming.

Single electrical engineer with no dependents and two motor vehicles that get driven 3000 miles per year each. My bikes account for the remaining 5000 miles per year of vehicular travel. I don't know about everybody else here but I get RAPED on my taxes.

I'm therefore paying for more than my share of the roadways and my bike does less damage to it in a year than my car or truck does in a single day. My car or truck furthermore does less damage in a year than an overloaded 18-wheeler does in a single day.

[cachehiker]

Ih8grvty wrote: you should keep some old fashioned jacks in your pocket, ditch the bike and toss them out in front of the car

Like these?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001785YZ0?smid=A2Y624Y5TXKSKI&tag=yahoo-sg-20&linkCode=asn :naughty:

[Ih8grvty]

First off...
From moabfool

"From what I hear the problem is worst in Utah where we have the most ignorant drivers on earth."

...

"I will agree, cyclists can be pretty demanding, but motorists can be too. I feel both parties could give a little and gain a lot."

Agreed and agreed, 100% on both.


However, I do enjoy the scenery in the uintas, and Im normally driving slower than most traffic anyways, especially at night or early morning.
That being said, if I get cars built up behind me I pull over and let them pass when I hit a safe place to do so, why am I being unreasonable to expect a cyclist to do the same? especially if iM towing something, as long as i keep the RPMs up Im fine, when we hit a particularly steep place whats the problem with pulling aside on your bike and letting me pass ? Alot of the road up there and other places you cant just ride to the side, I understand that, but when we hit a turn into a camp ground or a wide shoulder whats the problem with pulling off a bit so I can get past?
What bikers and cyclist alike (and BTW, I am one of both of them, I love riding my bike off road, dirt roads and mountain trails, and i love the motorcycle too) is that if you collide with a car, no matter what your rights are, you lose, period end of story. metal beats flesh and bones, you may be in the right, you may win in court, but you STILL lost.
The one thing I really hate about riding bikes (of either type) is the assholes in cars that i have to watch out for because they dont give a rats ass about me. I ride the motorcycle in traffic, but its no real fun, a pedal bike? I dont even consider it in any real traffic.
I think there is room for all of them on the road, IF people on all sides pull their heads from their asses.


an extra bit of a question, I have the leather,the tattoos all fo that, but dont ride a harley, in fact I hate harleys, Id never own one, Iv watched too many friends have to stop and adjust carbs and always fixing something when we could of been further down the road. Great looking bike, great sound and feel...WHEN its running.
since I dont own or ride a harley, am I still a biker?

[Ih8grvty]

cachehiker wrote: Ih8grvty wrote: you should keep some old fashioned jacks in your pocket, ditch the bike and toss them out in front of the car

Like these?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001785YZ0?smid=A2Y624Y5TXKSKI&tag=yahoo-sg-20&linkCode=asn :naughty:


NO! I meant the old jacks the ones that kids play with with the rubber ball!
However, I only meant those because I did not know the ones you linked to where available, so hell yes! just exactly like those!

[erial]

Below data is from 2006:



The above fatalities per 1,000,000 population by state in ascending order


State Resident Population (000) Pedalcyclist Fatalities Pedalcyclist Fatalities per Million Population
District of Columbia 582 0 0
North Dakota 636 0 0
Vermont 624 0 0
Wyoming 515 0 0
West Virginia 1,818 1 0.55
Massachusetts 6,437 6 0.93
Rhode Island 1,068 1 0.94
Mississippi 2,911 3 1.03
Pennsylvania 12,441 13 1.04
Arkansas 2,811 3 1.07
Washington 6,396 7 1.09
Nebraska 1,768 2 1.13
Tennessee 6,039 7 1.16
Kentucky 4,206 5 1.19
Missouri 5,843 7 1.2
Maryland 5,616 7 1.25
South Dakota 782 1 1.28
Idaho 1,466 2 1.36
New Jersey 8,725 12 1.38
Connecticut 3,505 5 1.43
Wisconsin 5,557 8 1.44
Ohio 11,478 17 1.48
Alaska 670 1 1.49
New Hampshire 1,315 2 1.52
Minnesota 5,167 8 1.55
Virginia 7,643 12 1.57
Iowa 2,982 5 1.68
Oklahoma 3,579 6 1.68
Illinois 12,832 25 1.95
Georgia 9,364 19 2.03
Colorado 4,753 10 2.1
Montana 945 2 2.12
Alabama 4599 10 2.17
Kansas 2,764 6 2.17
Texas 23,508 51 2.17
New York 19,306 45 2.33
North Carolina 8,857 21 2.37
Michigan 10,096 28 2.77
Maine 1,322 4 3.03
New Mexico 1,955 6 3.07
Hawaii 1,285 4 3.11
Indiana 6,314 21 3.33
South Carolina 4,321 16 3.7
Oregon 3,701 14 3.78
California 36,458 141 3.87
Utah 2,550 10 3.92
Nevada 2,496 10 4.01
Delaware 853 4 4.69
Arizona 6,166 29 4.7
Louisiana 4,288 24 5.6
Florida 18,090 132 7.3

[stefan]

for easier reading ... here's an image of the table the data was copied from