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Rev. Coyote
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sombeech wrote: kall me krazy, but I'm gonna have to assume that the molestations weren't done in the name of the church....
In the case of the Jeffs' cult, no, I don't think they were.
With the Catholic "church," it might as well have been since the "church" didn't take a firm stance on child molestation -- even allowed priests to stay on the job who were known pedophiles. |
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stefan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Rev. Coyote wrote: Sombeech wrote: kall me krazy, but I'm gonna have to assume that the molestations weren't done in the name of the church....
In the case of the Jeffs' cult, no, I don't think they were.
how do you figure? |
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Rev. Coyote
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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stefan wrote: Rev. Coyote wrote: Sombeech wrote: kall me krazy, but I'm gonna have to assume that the molestations weren't done in the name of the church....
In the case of the Jeffs' cult, no, I don't think they were.
how do you figure?
In the name of the "central" or mainstream LDS church. But, mind you, my understanding of the LDS is not as deep as that of the Catolic "church."
Someone enlighten me! |
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stefan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Rev. Coyote wrote:
In the name of the "central" or mainstream LDS church. But, mind you, my understanding of the LDS is not as deep as that of the Catolic "church."
the FLDS view plural marriage as one of the true tenets of their faith, and believe the mainstream church lost their way when plural marriage was renounced. while the FLDS and the LDS have a common ancestor, so to speak, (dare i draw a parallel with evolution) they are wholly disjoint.
so no the FLDS would not be doing anything in the name of the mainstream LDS church, but many of their actions are very likely in the name of the FLDS church. jeffs is viewed as a true prophet that speaks to god. the socioreligious structure of their closed society is strongly based on their religion. their religion is patriarchal and the plural marriage elevates the salvation of the man. the woman is subservient to the man (and i imagine that, for some, this empowerment can lead to abuse as it can in any society, though it could be amplified by the belief/misinterpretation that it's sanctioned by god).
marriage arrangements are delivered to the prophet, they are determined by god. it is god who has decided that a 13, 14, or 15-year old girl is to be married to an older man. it is certainly cast by these people that this institution of plural marriage is in the name of god ... more in the name of their church's view of god. do we view the marrying of a 13-year-old and the expected sexual relationship that follows to be molestation/abuse? however you want to call it, it's certainly institutionalized and sanctioned in the name of god.
in order to truly understand how each individual views it, you'd need to know their mind (i never would pretend to know what they think). i am would guess some believe it whole-heartedly, others don't, and there's the full spectrum in between. but presumably all of this is heavily skewed by their closed society, the imposed dependence of the individual on the society, and the fear of loss of salvation. |
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hank moon
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Cirrus2000 wrote: ...there are some people (in the FLDS, in the Catholic Church, etc.) who deserve a good solid mockery/skewering (Mother Teresa, anyone?)
Christopher Hitchens agrees!
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/hitchens_16_4.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/
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Sombeech
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Cirrus2000 wrote: ...there are some people (in the FLDS, in the Catholic Church, etc.) who deserve a good solid mockery/skewering (Mother Teresa, anyone?)
Sure, but the Pope himself, who is trying to stop the terrible things that have happened --- most of which were while another Pope was the head of the church?
There are people in any organization that are definitely up for thrashings, but it is rarely the organization itself that sponsors or supports these actions. |
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James_B_Wads2000
Joined: 18 Mar 2005
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rockgremlin wrote:
Ya, you know what? Really don't give a shit anymore...I'm wrong, I acknowledge it, move on....
Yeah it's all been said before, no need to rehash.
But sending a kid to flip me off... that really hurts. :haha:
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