Bogley

[trackrunner]

Mudcat wrote: Using USGS for EFVR (http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ut/nwis/uv?09404900) which shows flows hovering around 61 for the past week. I'm assuming neo isn't necessary, except maybe on the feet. If I'm wrong, someone please let me know.

Thanks for the warning on the poison ivy. I hate that stuff!
Actualy someone posted a TR on another site (yahoo) from this last Saturday. They said a full wetsuit was not needed but a shorty was nice, waist deep water. Also the person said there was ratty fixed webbing (whatever that is :ne_nau: ) on every drop, bring some webbing.

Also the gauge you have is the East Fork of Virgin at Springdale. As Tom Jones pointed out since you'll be up canyon the flow will be less than what is on the website.

[Mudcat]

Thanks Trackrunner. I did try to search it before I asked, but wasn't successful. Could you be referring to the Fat Man's Misery TR? Good point--that beta is applicable once in the East Fork. I'm guessing Rock itself is not too wet?

We'll bring pack capacity to clean the old webbing.

[tanya]

marc olivares wrote: watch for the ichy plant life going out French...

Yeah.. the worst part is that it's at chest level!!! The first time through the guys I was with were holding it back with a stick... dang!!!

All I can say is that those chlorine and baking soda (think that is what it was) baths help.

The other times through I found it was simply better to just bend back at your knees and lean way back.

There is lots of that itchy plant life along the banks of Pweap it looks like but I have walked through that before I noticed and had no affects?

[Iceaxe]

Mudcat wrote: Could you be referring to the Fat Man's Misery TR? Good point--that beta is applicable once in the East Fork. I'm guessing Rock itself is not too wet?

If you can do Misery safely you can do Rock. The section of P-weap between Misery and the horseshoe exit is tighter then anything between Rock and French.

From locals I'm told the road out to Rock isn't to bad in the spring, but turns to soft deep sand by mid summer. For some reason they say it always firms up some over the winter. YMMV... I say a 4x4 and shovel are mandatory equipment.

:popcorn:

[oldno7]

Iceaxe wrote: Mudcat wrote: Could you be referring to the Fat Man's Misery TR? Good point--that beta is applicable once in the East Fork. I'm guessing Rock itself is not too wet?

If you can do Misery safely you can do Rock. The section of P-weap between Misery and the horseshoe exit is tighter then anything between Rock and French.

From locals I'm told the road out to Rock isn't to bad in the spring, but turns to soft deep sand by mid summer. For some reason they say it always firms up some over the winter. YMMV... I say a 4x4 and shovel are mandatory equipment.

:popcorn:

Very true---(rock)
I think the best exit is on the left ridge(ldc) as you exit the bottom of the canyon. Slight scrambling up to the end of a good 4x4 trail. Then hike the trail back to your vehichle. Saw very fresh and very large cougar track in there last year.(on trail out)
And for the anti ATV crowd--2 atv's work very well as a shuttle out of this canyon. :eek2: Or so I've been told :haha:

[trackrunner]

Mudcat wrote: Thanks Trackrunner. I did try to search it before I asked, but wasn't successful. Could you be referring to the Fat Man's Misery TR? Good point--that beta is applicable once in the East Fork. I'm guessing Rock itself is not too wet?

We'll bring pack capacity to clean the old webbing.
Yes I meant Fat Man's Misery TR because of your question on the EFVR conditions. Then I thought you were doing Fat Man's not Rock hence the need for webbing to replace the ratty webbing. But webbing is still good for Rock. From the beta I've received you don't know the last time someone did the canyon, yesterday, last fall, last summer, a year ago this spring, or earlier in the day.