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bruce from bryce · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 225

Anyone on this site take a couple from Colorado in Lep on Sunday and have the guy get stuck on rappel? :ne_nau:

Inquiring minds would like to know since a SAR was required to extract him.

oldno7 · Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 490

This is all Rams fault----

ran into 2 couples at the intersection of Slideanide/Constrychnine, my 2 buddies are from Colo. So the guy says that Ram is bringing to many people to these canyons and they don't think much of Ram. (my buddies have never met Ram nor have I)They are from SLC, (the arrogant prick group)I think I know who they are. Also saw my camoflauge pack and asked if I carried a gun in canyons,WTF The guy was an arrogant prick!! I was on my best behavior and left him to canyon another day :twisted:

bruce from bryce · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 225

Ram sure doesn't need me to defend him but it is idiots like this that are going to impact this sport in the future and is a reason why 'Ram' does NOT publish BETA indiscriminately.

To quote a member of the SAR team: "The people from SLC told these people that this was a short canyon with a couple of rappels and a few downclimbs". Need I say that this was a little bit understated. Even though they carried an excellent map of the route and probably read the description of the canyon (the leaders), they didn't pass that info on to their friends (might be former friends now).

Remember that the 2nd rappel is above where the real run begins.

Brian in SLC · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 432

bruce from bryce wrote: To quote a member of the SAR team: "The people from SLC told these people that this was a short canyon with a couple of rappels and a few downclimbs". Need I say that this was a little bit understated. Even though they carried an excellent map of the route and probably read the description of the canyon (the leaders), they didn't pass that info on to their friends (might be former friends now).

Remember that the 2nd rappel is above where the real run begins.

Not having done any of these canyons, but, having read their description on Tom's site, why was this information understated? Couple of raps and a few downclimbs are all that are referenced on Tom's description, too, really.

Chris' beta: http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/leprec.htm

What type of information should have been passed along?

Seems strange to me, but, shouldn't there be some personal responsibility here rather than blaming someone else?

And, really, what does this have to do with getting stuck on rappel? Shouldn't the group and each individual have had the requisite rappelling experience and equipment to prevent this? Wouldn't have anything to do with specific information on the canyon itself.

Any information on what happened specifically to cause them to get stuck?

Interesting...this wasn't the fellers from Colorado who posted here looking for beta, by chance?

I wonder who the SLC folks were...

-Brian in SLc

Bo_Beck · Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 703 Location: Southern Utah

bruce from bryce wrote: Anyone on this site take a couple from Colorado in Lep on Sunday and have the guy get stuck on rappel? :ne_nau:

Inquiring minds would like to know since a SAR was required to extract him.

Ok so let me see if I got this right? You stand either on top or below and shout, "now wedge your leg into the crack, hold it there I'm going to have Seymore come down and stand on your leg and see if we can get it jammed in tighter!". Maybe I misread this post? I tend to think that most people would rather have their friends/clients/or themselves make it to the bottom?

As for the SLC crowd Kurt, I'm not sure I understand what you mean?..."If they were going to give the world an enema, thats where they'd begin?" Maybe that'd sum up your feelings better? GEEZE what a blatant stereortypical blasphemous thing to say! I really think since I have met you before that you meant to say "those ignorant kids were rude wherever they are from?". I wasn't there so I don't know, but to lump an entire populus of a city into a single net seems a bit overboard to me.

Yeah..I know the drill..hit the foxhole...Incoming!

oldno7 · Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 490

yea, you'd think now that the writers strike was over I would hire one. :lol8:

No not blackballing the whole SLC crowd at all(I grew up in Bountiful)
Just this particular group, sorry for any confusion. I am however very sensitive about my camo pack. :mrgreen:

It would be interesting to know if these 2 groups are one in the same though.

Bo_Beck · Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 703 Location: Southern Utah

oldno7 wrote: yea, you'd think now that the writers strike was over I would hire one. :lol8:

No not blackballing the whole SLC crowd at all(I grew up in Bountiful)
Just this particular group, sorry for any confusion. I am however very sensitive about my camo pack. :mrgreen:

It would be interesting to know if these 2 groups are one in the same though.

I go through the same soap opera every time there is an accident in Zion. I'm pretty used to it by now. Human nature to blame someone. We need an out and a way to justify to ourselves what happened whether it is right or wrong.

I dig Camo, but when I got out of the military in the late 70's I swore I'd not wear it again. Maybe I will?

Don't need the writers guild; practicing to write a novel about the "Canyon Wars". The bolt wars seem to have lost ground! :haha: Next comes the "Canyon Forums Wars", after that will be the end of the world. No wait..I seem to think there will be a sole survivor? the "Lets Derail The The Topic Forum" starring none other than those dang "Fun Lovin', jokin', flirtin' survivors" of hmmmmmmmm? not sure where?

bruce from bryce · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 225

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

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bruce from bryce wrote:
To quote a member of the SAR team: "The people from SLC told these people that this was a short canyon with a couple of rappels and a few downclimbs". Need I say that this was a little bit understated. Even though they carried an excellent map of the route and probably read the description of the canyon (the leaders), they didn't pass that info on to their friends (might be former friends now).

Remember that the 2nd rappel is above where the real run begins.

Not having done any of these canyons, but, having read their description on Tom's site, why was this information understated? Couple of raps and a few downclimbs are all that are referenced on Tom's description, too, really.
DID YOU READ THE WARNING BELOW THE BOX? SEEMS CLEAR TO ME, BUT THEN I UNDERSTAND THE RATING SYSTEM

Chris' beta: http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/leprec.htm

What type of information should have been passed along?
WONDER IF THESE PEOPLE HAD BEEN THROUGH THE CANYON. MAYBE THEY WENT THROUGH SHAMROCK WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY EASIER

Seems strange to me, but, shouldn't there be some personal responsibility here rather than blaming someone else?
IF YOU MEAN THE STUCK ONE YES. IF YOU MEAN THE PEOPLE WHO INVITED HIM, MOST DEFINITELY

And, really, what does this have to do with getting stuck on rappel? Shouldn't the group and each individual have had the requisite rappelling experience and equipment to prevent this? Wouldn't have anything to do with specific information on the canyon itself.
TOTALLY AGREE

Any information on what happened specifically to cause them to get stuck?
5' 10", 210LBS. THE SIDE OF THE RAP SQUEEZES IN LIKE A FUNNEL AND MY GUESS THAT HE WENT INTO THE FUNNEL INSTEAD OF GOING TO ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER

Interesting...this wasn't the fellers from Colorado who posted here looking for beta, by chance?
????

I wonder who the SLC folks were...
ME TOO

-Brian in SLc

Brian in SLC · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 432

oldno7 wrote: ran into 2 couples at the intersection of Slideanide/Constrychnine, my 2 buddies are from Colo. So the guy says that Ram is bringing to many people to these canyons and they don't think much of Ram. (my buddies have never met Ram nor have I)They are from SLC, (the arrogant prick group)I think I know who they are. Also saw my camoflauge pack and asked if I carried a gun in canyons,WTF The guy was an arrogant prick!! I was on my best behavior and left him to canyon another day

Ooohh. The plot thickens. Based on the post on the canyons yahoo group, my bet is that the arrogant prick hosted RAM at his house for a x-mas canyoneering party. What a prick indeed!

NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY. You need to hear the "conservation of powder" ski speech, with regard to backcountry skiing.

Too funny. I think "someone's" nickname just became, "AP".

Hee hee hee...ROTFLMAO...

-Brian in SLC
ps: hey, arrogant prick, give me a jingle!

bruce from bryce · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 225

If anyone in SLC was offended by most original post -- my aplologies! Just searching for information.

For an on-the-ground description of what really went on you'll have to venture over to the DARK SIDE

CarpeyBiggs · Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 1722 Location: Fairbanks, AK

Apparently, I'm not understanding what happened. How did this guy get stuck on rappel? He couldn't have been too tired it seems, since he walked out on his own power. What happened?

BTW, Beady, I met a friend of yours. John George, a very talented photographer, made for great company. Spoke highly of you.

Brian in SLC · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 432

CarpeyBiggs wrote: BTW, Beady, I met a friend of yours. John George, a very talented photographer, made for great company.

Hey, tell him hi and that I need his autograph!

He's got a photobook on the great salt lake and some shots in a bunch of other stuff.

Miss seein' him around. Tell him, if you see him again, to give me a jingle!

Thanks,

-Brian in SLC

rockgremlin · Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3824 Location: Hotel California

CarpeyBiggs wrote: Apparently, I'm not understanding what happened. How did this guy get stuck on rappel? He couldn't have been too tired it seems, since he walked out on his own power. What happened?

I echo this inquiry. :ne_nau: So confused...

Iceaxe · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 7626 Location: Local Bordello

Brighton climber rescued from Utah cliff
By Kirk Mitchell
The Denver Post

Rescuers rappelled to a 42-year-old Brighton man after he got stuck on a cliff about 28 miles southeast of Hanksville, Utah, authorities say.

Rob Lougee had gotten stuck when he rappelled down to narrow rock formations that he could not pass through on Sunday and did not have the equipment needed to climb back up, said Becki Bronson, spokeswoman for the Garfield County Sheriff's Office.

Lougee, his wife and two other hikers from Salt Lake City had rappelled a half-mile down in the Three Forks Area to some narrow passages in rock. Where Lougee was rappelling, a hole in the rock was smaller than 16 inches wide, and he could not pass through, Bronson said. He found a small shelf about the size of a kitchen table and waited there for help overnight.

The others rappelled down and went for help. Garfield County Search and Rescue crews arrived by helicopter on Monday at 7:45 a.m. The crews used the helicopter as an anchor and rappelled down to Lougee's position.

Lougee was unhurt and slightly dehydrated, Lougee said.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_8693479

Rob Lougee, 42, in the white helmet, was pulled to safety by Garfield County Search and Rescue crews near Hanksville, Utah, on March 24, 2008. (Garfield County Sheriff's Office)

Garfield County Search and Rescue crews were flown to the site where the Brighton man was stranded by the Utah Highway Patrol. (Garfield County Sheriff's Office)

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Iceaxe · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 7626 Location: Local Bordello

Colorado Man Rescued From Slot Canyon
Formation Just Became To Small
Deb Stanley, 7NEWS Producer, Avid Hiker and Colorado Junkie

Utah's Garfield County Search and Rescue team had to use their rappelling gear and a helicopter to rescue a hiker from Colorado stuck in a slot canyon.

Slot canyons are know for their skinny or narrow passageways.

A news release from the Garfield County Sheriff's Office said 42-year-old Rob Lougee of Brighton, his wife and two other hikers from Salt Lake City were rappelling in the Three Forks area Sunday. Three members of the group made it through the other parts of the narrows, but Lougee got stuck. The skinniest part of the narrows was smaller than 16 inches wide.

Lougee did not have the gear or the ability to back up and he couldn't go down, so he waited for help on a ledge about the size of a kitchen table.

Lougee's wife made it out of the canyon and called the sheriff's office while his two male friends hiked back to the top of the canyon to spend the night near Lougee.

Help arrived Monday morning. The Garfield County Search and Rescue team was brought in by a Utah Highway Patrol helicopter. That was fortunate because when they arrived, rescuers had nowhere to anchor their ropes. They ended up using the helicopter as an anchor. Then the team rappelled down to Lougee and helped him climb back out.

Search and Rescue member Mike Alhstrom said, "It's important to take extreme caution in the backcountry of Garfield County, and not rely solely on guide books for information regarding your planned hike. It's good idea to ask questions of the locals and the sheriff's office who know the country here better than anyone and can help make sure that you will be safe."

Lougee was unhurt, slightly dehydrated, but OK, according to medical personnel.

It was well below freezing Sunday night at Three Forks, but Lougee was prepared with the proper outdoor equipment to handle the cold.

The Three Forks area is about 28 miles southeast of Hanskville (just off SR 95). Their guide book had warned of some "skinny narrows," but didn't provide more details than that and so the group did not realize how skinny the narrows actually become before they had rappelled a half a mile down to them.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15704756/detail.html