Bogley

[Scott Card]

trackrunner wrote: There are some good comments over on the Yahoo group Canyons page about this.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/

What he said. :2thumbs:

[Alex]

Not all of us belong to that group, enough drama is going on here... so can you kindly paste it in here? :ne_nau: :nod:

[ratagonia]

Iceaxe wrote: Yeah, it was middle fork.

If the news info is correct the guy who got stuck is in the white helmet in the picture. From the picture I'd say he should have had few problems. I've seen much bigger guys make it through with a little sweating and grunting.


For big fellas, can be hard. See

http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/0503lep/index.htm

Now, this fella is not that big, BUT, also stated he is not much of a climber, AND was kinda 'duped' into the trip.

Add: the new media writes the story from the facts they are told, run through their filter of what they know. Since they know ZERO about canyoneerings, they cannot imagine that the canyon is too narrow to hike through, therefore, since at some point he was rappelling, and he got stuck, then he must have gotten stuck on rappel.

There are 3-4 sections that get down to 10-11". Rob was a pretty good climber a couple years ago, was well-equipped (ie, had good, armor-type clothing and little else) and was very game - and he had a hard time. Was about to kill me the 10th time I said 'this should be the last narrow bit'.

I've done Main Leprechaun 25-30 times. I have NEVER downclimbed either rappel. There are two rappels in the canyon. You can downclimb / partner assist either of them - but would find it a really, really stupid place to break an ankle, lower leg or especially femur. I know Ice used to flash 5.12, so for him it is no problem, but the best I ever flashed was 5.11b, so weaklings like me will continue to use a rope.

ps.
Blame it on Ram,
Oh-oh, oh, please don't blame it on me
It's nobody's fault
But it just seems to be his turn

Tom

Once upon a time, I had a little money
Government burglars took it along
Before I could mail it to you
Still you are the only one
Now I can't let it slip away
So if the man with the ticker tape, he tries to take it
Well, this is what I'm gonna say

(CHORUS) Blame it on Cain
Don't blame it on me
Oh-oh, oh, it's nobody's fault
But we need somebody to burn

Well, if I was a saint with a silver cup
And the money got low, we could always heat it up
Or trade it in
But then the radio to heaven will be wired to your purse
And you can run down the waveband
Coast-to-coast, hand in hand
Bad to worse, curse for curse
Don't be dissatisfied, so if you're not satisfied

(REPEAT CHORUS)

I think I've lived a little too long on the outskirts of town
I think I'm going insane from talking to myself for so long
Oh, but I've never been accused
When they step on your face, then wear that good-look grin
I gotta break out one weekend before I do somebody in
But every single time I feel a little stronger
They tell me it's a crime, well, how much longer?

(REPEAT CHORUS)

Blame it on Cain,
Oh-oh, oh, please don't blame it on me
It's nobody's fault
But it just seems to be his turn

(Blame it on Cain, Elvis Costello)

Tom