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tanya · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 5479 Location: Utah

Would these be good for when it's fairly warm, but the water is cold? And if it is good then is it light and compacts easy to carry? And a neoprene short sleeved top could be worn with it if needed.

I know most take a shortie wetsuit, but if the water if mostly not too deep then the wetsuit is not keeping much warm.. right? --- I guess the important parts are kept warm though.

http://gear.alpinezone.com/atn/shop/P-4237/NRS_HydroSkin_Pants.html

trackrunner · Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 663

But are your legs/body staying dry. Good cloths can keep you warm when it is cold and windy. Wet cloths can not keep you warm. I can't tell if the pants will also keep you dry.

Last November I went and did a canyon with a small water section (not too deep) we were not expecting. My friend's sister wore shorts and after exiting the water section dried off and put on some tights to stay warm. That worked well.

tanya · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 5479 Location: Utah

trackrunner wrote: But are your legs/body staying dry. Good cloths can keep you warm when it is cold and windy. Wet cloths can not keep you warm. I can't tell if the pants will also keep you dry.

Last November I went and did a canyon with a small water section (not too deep) we were not expecting. My friend's sister wore shorts and after exiting the water section dried off and put on some tights to stay warm. That worked well.

That is what I was wondering too? Some descriptions act like you stay dry and others do not as I searched for various places that sold them. I am looking for something to use for cold water --- I have endured many canyons with short cold sections and that's no problem, but then I have always been a fair weather canyoneer. I have a thick wetsuit but its heavy to carry and an overkill for some places.

There are neoprene pants that would work for sure, but these sounded more comforable and maybe lighter to carry? I am just not sure what they are exactly I guess.

ratagonia · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject:

tanya wrote: That is what I was wondering too? Some descriptions act like you stay dry and others do not as I searched for various places that sold them. I am looking for something to use for cold water --- I have endured many canyons with short cold sections and that's no problem, but then I have always been a fair weather canyoneer. I have a thick wetsuit but its heavy to carry and an overkill for some places.

There are neoprene pants that would work for sure, but these sounded more comforable and maybe lighter to carry? I am just not sure what they are exactly I guess.

They are essentially a very thin neoprene, and might be just what you are looking for. They don't keep you dry, but would be warm-for-the-weight, and would decrease some of the "shock factor".

Tom

skianddive · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject:

As you alluded to in your original post, Tanya, our bodies lose heat in water primarily through some specific locations: (1) head/neck, (2) armpits, (3) crotch, and (4) chest. That's why shorties can keep us warm because they protect the latter 3 areas. But as you probably know, wetsuits do not keep us dry, and, in fact, they require a layer of water between your body and the neoprene to keep you warm.

The NRS HydroSkin is constructed of thin 0.5mm neoprene as its base layer, so it is designed to get wet like a wetsuit. In addition to keeping your legs warm (as long as you keep moving and keep the water heated), it should also be very comfortable to hike in and not constrict you like a thicker wetsuit.

http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2231&deptid=942

You might also consider the HydroSkin Capris which are "ideal for shorter women":

http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2614&deptid=942

tanya · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 5479 Location: Utah

ratagonia wrote: tanya wrote: That is what I was wondering too? Some descriptions act like you stay dry and others do not as I searched for various places that sold them. I am looking for something to use for cold water --- I have endured many canyons with short cold sections and that's no problem, but then I have always been a fair weather canyoneer. I have a thick wetsuit but its heavy to carry and an overkill for some places.

There are neoprene pants that would work for sure, but these sounded more comforable and maybe lighter to carry? I am just not sure what they are exactly I guess.

They are essentially a very thin neoprene, and might be just what you are looking for. They don't keep you dry, but would be warm-for-the-weight, and would decrease some of the "shock factor".

Tom

That is exactly what I was hoping for! Thanks Tom!

tanya · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 5479 Location: Utah

skianddive wrote: As you alluded to in your original post, Tanya, our bodies lose heat in water primarily through some specific locations: (1) head/neck, (2) armpits, (3) crotch, and (4) chest. That's why shorties can keep us warm because they protect the latter 3 areas. But as you probably know, wetsuits do not keep us dry, and, in fact, they require a layer of water between your body and the neoprene to keep you warm.

The NRS HydroSkin is constructed of thin 0.5mm neoprene as its base layer, so it is designed to get wet like a wetsuit. In addition to keeping your legs warm (as long as you keep moving and keep the water heated), it should also be very comfortable to hike in and not constrict you like a thicker wetsuit.

http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2231&deptid=942

You might also consider the HydroSkin Capris which are "ideal for shorter women":

http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2614&deptid=942

Great info! Thanks! I had looked at the capris, but was not sure if they would be better or not? Do you mean women are shorter than men or that I am short? I am 5'5 --- so I assume you just mean they would be better for females.

Iceaxe · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 7622 Location: Local Bordello

Real men don't wear capri's... end of story. :haha:

skianddive · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject:

tanya wrote: Great info! Thanks! I had looked at the capris, but was not sure if they would be better or not? Do you mean women are shorter than men or that I am short? I am 5'5 --- so I assume you just mean they would be better for females.
I was suggesting the capris because the sizing is specific to females, whereas the other HydroSkin Pants are sized for men.

Using your height as a guide for the latter pair, you would need a size 'small' and your measurements should be as follows:

Weight: 115-140 lbs
Chest: 32" - 36"
Waist: 28" - 31"

I suspect one of them may be off a tad. :haha:

tanya · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 5479 Location: Utah

skianddive wrote: tanya wrote: Great info! Thanks! I had looked at the capris, but was not sure if they would be better or not? Do you mean women are shorter than men or that I am short? I am 5'5 --- so I assume you just mean they would be better for females.
I was suggesting the capris because the sizing is specific to females, whereas the other HydroSkin Pants are sized for men.

Using your height as a guide for the latter pair, you would need a size 'small' and your measurements should be as follows:

Weight: 115-140 lbs
Chest: 32" - 36"
Waist: 28" - 31"

I suspect one of them may be off a tad. :haha:

:lol8:

tanya · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 5479 Location: Utah

Iceaxe wrote: Real men don't wear capri's... end of story. :haha:

Do I ever agree!

or pink!

or earring!

or necklaces!

or... I could go on all day. :mrgreen:

Scott Card · Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 1298 Location: Provo, Utah

Because these particular pants you are asking about cost more than ten bucks, they are automatically excluded from canyoneering. :nod: Canyoneering shreds stuff. Particularly that North Wash. Man, my 9 buck Shopko pants lasted only two canyons in the North Wash and that was with a major hole patch/ seam repair between canyons. I can't even imagine spending any kind of money for canyoneering clothing. I think Tom's next invention ought to be pants made out of the stuff he uses for his Leprechaun pack. I can report that after Larry, Monkey Business and half of Stair, the pack still looks virtually new. Great material.
:2thumbs:

tanya · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 5479 Location: Utah

Scott Card wrote: Because these particular pants you are asking about cost more than ten bucks, they are automatically excluded from canyoneering. :nod: Canyoneering shreds stuff. Particularly that North Wash. Man, my 9 buck Shopko pants lasted only two canyons in the North Wash and that was with a major hole patch/ seam repair between canyons. I can't even imagine spending any kind of money for canyoneering clothing. I think Tom's next invention ought to be pants made out of the stuff he uses for his Leprechaun pack. I can report that after Larry, Monkey Business and half of Stair, the pack still looks virtually new. Great material.
:2thumbs:

I know what you mean! Zion is not too bad on clothes though but I hear those skinny slots are brutal! I think Tom mentioned somewhere to wear jeans for North Wash?

skianddive · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject:

Scott Card wrote: I think Tom's next invention ought to be pants made out of the stuff he uses for his Leprechaun pack.
Just something to think about....would you rather see Tanya in 1000 Denier Cordura or that tight fitting HydroSkin? :twisted:

tanya · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 5479 Location: Utah

skianddive wrote: Scott Card wrote: I think Tom's next invention ought to be pants made out of the stuff he uses for his Leprechaun pack.
Just something to think about....would you rather see Tanya in 1000 Denier Cordura or that tight fitting HydraSkin? :twisted:

You know how to get on my good side. :spruceup: