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[tanya]

There are some places in Zion that are bad too. Those yellow gloves on the young girl are interesting. I like that helmet Rich!

[trackrunner]

tanya wrote: There are some places in Zion that are bad too. Those yellow gloves on the young girl are interesting. I like that helmet Rich!



Yes, Spry rope groves. I have never done that canyon. It is my goal to go this year, hopefully in the spring. With the winter Zion has been having probably later then sooner. Understand Water Canyon has them too.

[tanya]

That's a shame that Water Canyon has them. I have hiked in there many times but never did the canyon. I would think that since that canyon is used most for instruction that would not be the case?

[trackrunner]

tanya wrote: That's a shame that Water Canyon has them. I have hiked in there many times but never did the canyon. I would think that since that canyon is used most for instruction that would not be the case?
Never seen it but read on a site about them and how to set your ropes carefully so rope doesn't get stuck.

[deathcricket]

trackrunner wrote: Those are some nice rope groves. Is it hard to walk around to the top and pull your rope? Or are people just lazy or don't care about their ropes :sleeping:

Most of the time I would agree people are just lazy. But in this spot you either have to pull the rope through a groove or drop it down 180ft and walk down to pick it up, which is what we did since my buddy said getting dirt impregnated into the rope is really really bad. If you look closely at pic #6 that jman put up, that's really the only safe place to hang out (besides the lower section which has TONS of room), and there is only room for maybe 3 people (there is top down view on me standing on it in my pics). The edge section in Jman's pic #7 isn't really safe to stand on unless your holding on to a rope IMO. Plus its sandstone which is super soft and hundreds of people go there every month.

On a lighter note, the grooves do hold your rope nice and steady to prevent shearing action.
:five:

[trackrunner]

Why can't you walk to the top and pull your rope up?

[Jaxx]

My pics of the rope burn in Spry:



I have thought about taking something to protect the edge and some 4mm rope to tie it to the anchor next time I do Spry. What are peoples thoughts on this, garbage left in the canyon to protect the rock?

[trackrunner]

Jaxx wrote:
I have thought about taking something to protect the edge and some 4mm rope to tie it to the anchor next time I do Spry. What are peoples thoughts on this, garbage left in the canyon to protect the rock?

Haven't done the canyon, will this spring. I think it’s a lose, lose situation. Some people would be pissed you left "garbage" and others would be pissed you contributed to the groves. I think the preferred way would be a better stance for the rappel anchor for a smoother rope pull. Also you could have the last person extend the anchor over the edge for a smooth rope pull. Or maybe set up a retrievable protection system. Pull your rope, and then pull the protection. But the damage is done.

[jman]

trackrunner wrote: Why can't you walk to the top and pull your rope up?

that's why I do. It's not that hard. Just rappel down, hike up on the rock/crack on to your north, walk 300 feet, and pull your ropes up. Easy.

Easy setup, easy take down. Less than a min. walk to the cliffs from the busy road. I think it's a GREAT location for intros. Although, I have seen A LOT of people going to the "little narrows" (where the Dixie Rock is/or otherwise known as Pioneer Park) and rappelling of those rocks of 20feet or less feet (which I think is useless because it's so short and too crowded - but that's why I think they do it - the attention.)

And yes...my friend's yellow gloves rock! Those girls didn't even need gloves since they were so light and my elite rope abilities. haha..they had to push themselves down. Although, it's a priceless moment to watch a noob or virgin rappeler go over the first 5 feet. Their faces are priceless - am I right?

[tanya]

jman wrote:

And yes...my friend's yellow gloves rock! Those girls didn't even need gloves since they were so light and my elite rope abilities. haha..they had to push themselves down. Although, it's a priceless moment to watch a noob or virgin rappeler go over the first 5 feet. Their faces are priceless - am I right?

Yes, they are adorable! The gloves and the girls! Closeups on their faces the first 5 feet would have been great! When we took some preteens it was a look of total fear! :2thumbs: It's sort of like wearing a big hat to keep out the sun so you don't get wrinkles when you get older. Females have to protect themselves. :five:

[tanya]

deathcricket wrote:
But in this spot you either have to pull the rope through a groove or drop it down 180ft and walk down to pick it up, which is what we did since my buddy said getting dirt impregnated into the rope is really really bad. If you look closely at pic #6 that jman put up, that's really the only safe place to hang out (besides the lower section which has TONS of room), and there is only room for maybe 3 people (there is top down view on me standing on it in my pics). The edge section in Jman's pic #7 isn't really safe to stand on unless your holding on to a rope IMO. Plus its sandstone which is super soft and hundreds of people go there every month.

On a lighter note, the grooves do hold your rope nice and steady to prevent shearing action.
:five:


This is a great question. My vote would be to protect the rock - in places like Zion in particular.

What does everyone else say. How can this be done? Can it be done?

[tanya]

tanya wrote: jman wrote:

And yes...my friend's yellow gloves rock! Those girls didn't even need gloves since they were so light and my elite rope abilities. haha..they had to push themselves down. Although, it's a priceless moment to watch a noob or virgin rappeler go over the first 5 feet. Their faces are priceless - am I right?

Yes, they are adorable! The gloves and the girls! Closeups on their faces the first 5 feet would have been great! When we took some preteens it was a look of total fear! :2thumbs: The gloves are sort of like wearing a big hat to keep out the sun so you don't get wrinkles when you get older. Females have to protect themselves. :five:

[trackrunner]

jman wrote: that's why I do. It's not that hard. Just rappel down, hike up on the rock/crack on to your north, walk 300 feet, and pull your ropes up. Easy.

QFE
There is a place up Cedar Canyon that people rappel from. You hiked up there over and over to rappel but now are too lazy to retrieve your rope or anchor. If there is no webbing some people pull the rope wrapped around the tree or through the sharp bolts. :eek2: Stupid way to treat your rope, glad the rope is not mine.

jman wrote: Although, it's a priceless moment to watch a noob or virgin rappeler go over the first 5 feet. Their faces are priceless - am I right?

I love it when they think the drop is not that large looking up but when they have finally gone over the edge and now don't want to do it and freak out. They always say pull me up. I tell them "too dangerous, you've already committed." They make it down eventually.

[trackrunner]

tanya wrote:
This is a great question. My vote would be to protect the rock - in places like Zion in particular.

What does everyone else say. How can this be done? Can it be done?

trackrunner wrote: Jaxx wrote:
I have thought about taking something to protect the edge and some 4mm rope to tie it to the anchor next time I do Spry. What are peoples thoughts on this, garbage left in the canyon to protect the rock?

Haven't done the canyon, will this spring. I think it’s a lose, lose situation. Some people would be pissed you left "garbage" and others would be pissed you contributed to the groves. I think the preferred way would be a better stance for the rappel anchor for a smoother rope pull. Also you could have the last person extend the anchor over the edge for a smooth rope pull. Or maybe set up a retrievable protection system. Pull your rope, and then pull the protection. But the damage is done.

Tanya here was my suggestions posted earlier. An example I would have for Jaxx's idea for "garbage left in the canyon to protect the rock" would be a small piece of carpet attached to the anchor with thin rope/weabing something else. But like I wrote earlier it's a lose, lose situation. Some people would be pissed you left "garbage" and others would be pissed you contributed to the groves. I do wonder though what some of the leaders in the canyoneering community think.

[Jaxx]

trackrunner wrote: I do wonder though what some of the leaders in the canyoneering community think.

I am going to make a separate thread with a poll in it. Should be a good debate!

Edit: new thread http://bogley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=98328#98328